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To: Chi-townChief

If the Archduke had never been assassinated, we would be living in a very different world today, one in which Fascism and Nazism and Communism would be mere words in a dictionary instead of affecting hundreds of millions of lives. So yes, one human life is as important as a billion.


3 posted on 06/22/2004 10:10:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

---the same might be true if Woodrow Wilson's mother had had a "choice"---


10 posted on 06/22/2004 10:20:29 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: goldstategop
Now there's even a band named after the late Archduke.
14 posted on 06/22/2004 10:25:08 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Burger-Eating War Monkey)
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To: goldstategop

I tend to lean toward the notion that this incident merely affected a change in the beginning stages of the war; that there was going to be a World War I in those years anyway; that effectively, it had already started except for the major shooting.


15 posted on 06/22/2004 10:28:43 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: goldstategop
"If the Archduke had never been assassinated, we would be living in a very different world today, one in which Fascism and Nazism and Communism would be mere words in a dictionary"

Possibly, but doubtful. That may have been the final straw but the writing was already on the wall. Obviously it is impossible to predict what would have been different, but I think the world was on course for the war, Franz just showed them the shortcut.

"The Balkan Peninsula or the "Powder Keg of Europe" because tensions there threatened to ignite a major war. Rivalry for control of the Balkans added to the tensions that erupted into World War 1."

"The assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand triggered World War 1. But the war had its origins in developments of the 1800's. The main causes of World War 1 were:

The rise in nationalism
Build-up of military might
System of military alliances"
16 posted on 06/22/2004 10:32:50 AM PDT by MPJackal (Waiting for the big one and some nice beach front property in Nevada.)
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To: goldstategop
If the Archduke had never been assassinated...

...then World War I might have been delayed for a while. It was the underlying tensions that were forming among the monarchies of Europe that insured it would happen one way or another.

17 posted on 06/22/2004 10:32:53 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: goldstategop

Dunno if I buy into that.

Yes, it would be a very differen world. But the ideology encompassed by the different -isms had been gaining speed for a while. And sooner or later the "powder-keg" that was Europe would have started shooting about something. Perhaps the alternate possibility might have been a Europe where Fascism triumphs.


21 posted on 06/22/2004 10:46:27 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: goldstategop; Chi-townChief
If the Archduke had never been assassinated, we would be living in a very different world today, one in which Fascism and Nazism and Communism would be mere words in a dictionary instead of affecting hundreds of millions of lives. So yes, one human life is as important as a billion.

I doubt it. The national and imperial rivalries in Europe still existed regardless of whether the Archduke was murdered. It was just a matter of time before something sparked a war.

24 posted on 06/22/2004 10:53:12 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: goldstategop

I've always held that June 28, 1914 was THE big turning point in history. Folks nowadays like to focus on WWII, with scant attention paid to the Great War -- but without the latter there would have been no WWII, no Soviet Union, no Adolph Hitler, no Cold War, no state of Israel, no partitioning of the Mideast, ad infinitum...


26 posted on 06/22/2004 11:00:04 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: goldstategop
If the Archduke had never been assassinated, we would be living in a very different world today

An interesting observation but I believe that if the Archduke hadn't been assassinated some other incident would have set of the powder keg in Europe.

28 posted on 06/22/2004 11:07:16 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: goldstategop

Baloney. Germany wanted to go to war and used the assassination as a provocation.


48 posted on 06/22/2004 12:15:38 PM PDT by rootntootn
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To: goldstategop

I disagree. The European powers had been on a collision course since at least the 1890's, and had been close to war on several occasions. WWI was going to happen. If Gavrilo Princip hadn't triggered it, someone or something else would have.


54 posted on 06/22/2004 1:07:52 PM PDT by kms61
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To: goldstategop
If the Archduke had never been assassinated, we would be living in a very different world today, one in which Fascism and Nazism and Communism would be mere words in a dictionary instead of affecting hundreds of millions of lives.

WWI was going to happen sooner or later. The underlying causes were in place. The Archduke's assasination is what you would call the "proximate cause" of an otherwise inevitable conflict.

63 posted on 06/22/2004 2:42:16 PM PDT by Tallguy (Liberals make my head hurt...)
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To: goldstategop
If the Archduke had never been assassinated, we would be living in a very different world today, one in which Fascism and Nazism and Communism would be mere words in a dictionary instead of affecting hundreds of millions of lives. So yes, one human life is as important as a billion.

I don't know about that -- the roots of the war had been bubbling in the Balkans since at least 1912 (the two Balkan Wars), not to mention the effects of German militarization and expansionism, and the Russian/British/French reaction to it.

The assassination was certainly a pretext for war, but it would have happened anyway. The Germans, especially, were eager for war.

65 posted on 06/22/2004 2:49:46 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: goldstategop

not true - more likely the WW! would have been fought later. WW1 was waiting to happen.


73 posted on 06/22/2004 7:03:56 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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