Bush to screen population for mental illness

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 21, 2004

[valkyrieanne]

Why because teachers have to actually do their job and teach.

If teachers are so terrible at teaching that it requires federal oversight of every district in the US - how can these same "incompetent" people be trusted to also serve as *mental health screeners* and amateur psychiatrists? Sounds a bit contradictory to me.

[Dane]

Good grief, you really don't know what you're talking about, you don't know me, you don't know my wife, but still you rage on, attacking her.

I do know that the teacher unions and Ted kennedy now hate the no child left behind act, that's a fact, becuase it requires accountability of schools now.

I highly doubt that they are putting retarded kids into advanced computer classes.

[Poohbah]

The source is World Net Daily, which at times can be sensationalistic.

Maybe they're trying to sell off the last of their Y2K survival goods.

[JaguarXKE]

Has Bush lost his mind?

I guess with this new program we'll find out :)

[Don Joe]

I have avoided giving information by simply putting N/A in any boxes I don't want to fill out.

You put "N/A" for your signature on the HIPAA form?

Amazing.

As far as using the SSN as an identifier, when it's health care, I give it.

It's always easier to go with the flow.

Reason being, in my state there is another couple with our names born the same year we were. How do I know? I've gotten her prescription records by accident, when I requested mine from the chain pharmacy. She's one sick kitty. I am not. ;-D

Well, all I can tell you is that if I was in that situation -- and I'm not (nor are most people) -- I'd take whatever legal steps necessary to ensure that it was NOT an ongoing issue. WITHOUT giving up my SSN.

Yes, I have on occasion had to pay an attorney to get the bastards to back off (my electricity utility threatened to cut me off if I didn't hand over my SSN. My g'd'mn UTILITY!) It was a small price to pay to keep my electricity AND my privacy.

I take these matters seriously. Unfortunately, most don't, which only makes it harder for the rest of us, and, helps guide the country further down the river.

[TomServo]

I guess with this new program we'll find out :)

LOL!! (rimshot)...

[Judith Anne]

So, you are NOT saying that there will be compulsory psychiatric screening for 300 million people? Those who do not measure up will NOT be forced to take psych meds made by drug companies financially friendly to President Bush?

Doesn't that mean we think the same? Because I don't either. So, why are you so upset? How is it that I have my head in the sand? What sneaky proposal is in that document you linked that has you so exercized? Is it law?
Is is going to be an EO? Does congress have to act?

I just can't get excited over this.

[valkyrieanne]

I haven't been able to read through the whole thread, but that was my initial reaction to the article. It's an astoundingly intrusive proposal and I cannot believe it's real. The source is World Net Daily, which at times can be sensationalistic.

The primary sources are the White House pages describing the plan in detail, and the British Medical Journal article (both predating the WND article.) I'm not going to go back through the thread and re-link to them (they've already been linked-to about a dozen times.) Read the *primary sources.* It's all there.

Whether Congress would actually pass and fund something like that is another story. Keep in mind that Congress passed No Child Left Behind - even when many Bush supporters poo-pooed it, as in "It's just a campaign promise; it won't go anywhere." My point is that something like this *could* pass - after all, it's "compassionate" and "for the children."

[twigs]

Judith Anne, The following is the text that introduces the plan. I do not see a forced exam in here, so I'm not sure where that comes from. I did not see that in the steps either, but it may be described somewhere else. I just don't know. But there's plenty here to make me wary.

President’s New Freedom Commission on Mental Health

On April 29, 2002, the President issued Executive Order 13263 establishing the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health. Composed of fifteen members representing providers, payers, administrators, and consumers of mental health services, as well as family members of consumers, and seven ex officio members, the Commission was charged with conducting “a comprehensive study of the United States mental health service delivery system, including public and private sector providers,” and was directed to advise the President on methods of improving the system. In July 2003, the Commission issued its recommendations in a final report entitled Achieving the Promise, Transforming Mental Health Care in America. See http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/reports.htm. The report identifies barriers to care within the mental health system and examples of community-based care models that have proven successful in coordinating and providing treatment services.

The Commission concluded that the mental health service delivery system in the United States must be substantively transformed. In the transformed system: 1) Americans understand that mental health is essential to overall health; [I agree] 2) mental health care is consumer and family-driven; [that's good, I agree] 3) disparities in mental health services are eliminated; [does that mean federal oversight?] 4) early mental health screening, assessment, and referral to services are common practice; [is this a coercive measure? it doesn't say that it is. If not, then I would have to agree] 5) excellent mental health services are delivered and research is accelerated; [depends on details] and 6) technology is used to access mental health care and information [depends on details].

The Commission also concluded that the roles played by states must be central to the transformation process, but states must rely heavily upon the involvement of consumers in research, planning, and evaluation activities. At the same time, the coordinated efforts of more than 25 Federal agencies must undergird and reinforce the states’ processes. Every adult with a serious mental illness or child with a serious emotional disturbance must have an individualized plan of care coordinating services among programs and across agencies. Every state must have a comprehensive mental health plan, the ownership of which is shared by all state agencies impacting the care of persons with serious mental illnesses.

[texasflower]

Okay. You guys are really trying my patience.

I used to read him all the time. He gets emotional and hysterical in his tone sometimes. Do you not remember the panic stricken, hysterical, hyperventilating type emotions that he was spewing out when he thought the June 30 handover meant we were pulling out all together?

He had this breathless and begging tone, saying please Mr. President, don't cut and run. Don't. Don't. Don't do it! (and it went on from there)

It was disgusting. He had it wrong. President Bush was very clear on what he meant, but he still got it all wrong.

He was wrong then, he's been wrong before and I think he's wrong now.

After the article begging the President not to cut and run, I read for a little while longer until finally I was too disgusted to read any more.

So, I don't read him any more unless I see something like this. When everyone gets all worked up over something he has written curiosity sometimes gets the better of me.

When I clicked on the article, not knowing anything but the title I saw nearly 100 posts at that time. That's usually a sure sign that he has put out more BS and people are believing it. So, I went ahead and read it this time.

You will never catch me reading his work just for my pleasure.

He never disappoints in one respect. That is, when he is all worked up over nothing, you guys are too.

Now, are you guys finished nitpicking my posts? You can't defend the article, but you are awfully interested in critiquing a lack of journalistic excellence on my part.

Are we done yet? If you have another criticism, make it quick. I'm going to bed very soon.

[Don Joe]

But maybe I've missed it. Since you're so familiar with the report, can you please cite the reference to screening everyone?

My posts 204 and 206 in this thread gives you a good starting point in the document.

[Dane]

If teachers are so terrible at teaching that it requires federal oversight of every district in the US - how can these same "incompetent" people be trusted to also serve as *mental health screeners* and amateur psychiatrists? Sounds a bit contradictory to me

Did I say all teachers were all incompetant, no I didn't. I just stated the fact that the teacher unions and ted kennedy don't like NCLB act because it requires accountability and real results.

Also these are proposals, I'll wait for the Presdients final proposal, which I think will be different than the hyteronics being reported by WND.

[Judith Anne]

Don Joe, you are getting weird on me, FRiend. You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Okay?

[Don Joe]

I highly doubt that they are putting retarded kids into advanced computer classes.

Well, either my wife is a pathological liar, or you're a pathetic troll.

Gee, how ever shall I figure this one out?

[NordP]

priceless post - thank you - you're so right

[texasflower]

You are seeing things that aren't there, Don Joe.

Perhaps that is why you are misunderstanding the available material on this mental health issue.

I am a well bred southern woman. If I want thank someone, I do it with a smile.

There is nothing implied in my question to him. I asked a question. He answered.

Why is this so much fun for you? You have entertained yourself for hours now with my posts.

Are we done yet?

[Judith Anne]

#330, excellent post.

[Don Joe]

Read the *primary sources.* It's all there.

No, no, no, don't you understand LOGIC?

If you can claim dissatisfaction with one of the tertiary sources -- over anything, no matter how unrelated to the topic at hand -- the only rational course is to dismiss the matter out of hand.

[Corin Stormhands]

Yeah, I saw that it said "At the first sign of difficulties..."

Don't make us do your work for you. You "know" what it says, Cut and paste can be your friend.

I won't say you're wrong...unless you refuse to prove you're right.

[freddiedavis]

i don't believe this...its a pact of lies...