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Naming Names: The Torturers of Saddam's Abu Ghraib and Their Place in the New Iraq
American Enterprise Institute of Public Policy Research ^ | June 8, 2004 | Richard Perle, AEI

Posted on 06/21/2004 2:14:06 PM PDT by Calpernia

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Click for 4 minute Video in Windows Media format. Video of Iraqi torture victims [VERY GRAPHIC; NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN]

For the last 30 years, Iraqis inside Iraq had little knowledge of the full extent of Saddam Hussein's oppressive tactics. Many Iraqis who have documented his regime's history argue that Coalition authorities have not done enough to make this history known to the Iraqi people, and proponents of more stringent de-Baathification argue that until this education is completed, Saddam-era officials cannot be trusted with the rule of the new state.

Much of the recent controversy surrounding Abu Ghraib has made only vague reference to the prison's nightmarish past. Under Saddam Hussein, some thirty thousand people were executed there, and countless more were tortured and mutilated, returning to Iraqi society as visible evidence of the brutality of Baathist rule instead of being lost to the anonymity of mass graves.

Seven of these victims were Baghdadi merchants whose right hands were amputated and presented to Saddam as proof of their punishment. They have recently received medical attention in the United States, and now have the use of modern prosthetic hands. Four of these victims will speak of their experiences before returning to Iraq. In addition to their presentations, an unedited video documenting acts of torture during Saddam's reign will be shown, and our Iraqi guests will identify persons conducting the torture who hold office in Iraq today.

1 posted on 06/21/2004 2:14:07 PM PDT by Calpernia
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For the last 30 years, Iraqis inside Iraq had little knowledge of the full extent of Saddam Hussein's oppressive tactics. Many Iraqis who have documented his regime's history argue that Coalition authorities have not done enough to make this history known to the Iraqi people, and proponents of more stringent de-Baathification argue that until this education is completed, Saddam-era officials cannot be trusted with the rule of the new state.

Much of the recent controversy surrounding Abu Ghraib has made only vague reference to the prison's nightmarish past. Under Saddam Hussein, some thirty thousand people were executed there, and countless more were tortured and mutilated, returning to Iraqi society as visible evidence of the brutality of Baathist rule instead of being lost to the anonymity of mass graves.

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2 posted on 06/21/2004 2:16:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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I really would like to see this video, but I cannot get it to play .. all I get in Windows is some flashing orange writing at the bottom of the text on a blue screen .. that's it. I'm using Windows Media .. never had any trouble using it before.


3 posted on 06/21/2004 2:31:19 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: CyberAnt

Try right clicking, save target as, and run from your harddrive. Trust me it works. I wish it didn't. :(

I need to leave the computer after that.


4 posted on 06/21/2004 2:33:05 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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To: CyberAnt; Calpernia

It's a weird series of extensions -- mpg.avi.mpg -- none of which is a Windows Media file. You should be able to view this movie in any Media Player, including my preference of QuickTime.

It's a HUGE file, so if you're on a dial-up, it might take a few hours to download.


5 posted on 06/21/2004 2:45:48 PM PDT by Theo
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To: Calpernia

bump for later puke


6 posted on 06/21/2004 2:46:25 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Calpernia

I'm very happy this video was made available. I plan to send it to several Congressmen (who talk about Abu Garhaib prison scandal) and press people who write about the prison scandal.

I also plan to send it to anyone who sends me information about the prison scandal.

I wish it was chopped down into smaller size clips because the time to load on WinDOZE is too long.


7 posted on 06/21/2004 2:59:45 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Calpernia
I'm downloading the video now (if it works) and will watch it in a while.

I heard Sean Hannity say this afternoon that he was going to show some real atrocity video from Abu Ghraib; I think this is what he's alluding to.

He said his staff was busy editing out some really grotesque stuff that he just can't show on TV.

Sean has guts to play this; I hope he shames the "Big Three" into fulfilling their journalistic responsibility as well. Not holding my breath though...

8 posted on 06/21/2004 4:52:48 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: Theo

Actually, there was a quicktime download too.

What I can do, if people aren't able to view it, is make a form submit on my DefenseForce site to request a CD of this.

It took me a while to download it and I'm on DSL.

I will look at that when I'm back at the computer tonight.

If it seems people are having trouble, I will put a link up to request a copy via snail mail.


9 posted on 06/21/2004 5:27:57 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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To: Theo; CyberAnt

Ok, I added a form submit to my site: http://goexcelglobal.com/NJ_DefenseForce see "Hard Copy Media Requests"

If you or any other freeper can't download this file, and you need it, I will burn you a copy. I have other media files I can through on it too to file up the CD.


10 posted on 06/21/2004 6:50:17 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for going out of your way to serve Truth, my friend.


11 posted on 06/21/2004 6:52:31 PM PDT by Theo
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To: Theo

It should download though. Try that first.


12 posted on 06/21/2004 6:54:52 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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To: Theo

I downloaded it .. I watched it. It was horrible. It was graphic. I've never seen anything like it in my life. However, because it's not in color, it's probably easier to take. I did have to look away a couple of times, and I was on the verge of tears several times .. BUT I DIDN'T DIE FROM IT. AND NOW .. I'M MADDER THAN I WAS BEFORE!!

This video alone is justification for going to Iraq and getting rid of Saddam .. and just another reason why the partisan media doesn't want us to see it.

The whole country NEEDS to see this video. It will definately change your heart about whether or not we should be there. I can fully understand why the partisan media does not want the public to see this.

I hope the TV stations will gather their courage and show it.


13 posted on 06/21/2004 7:11:13 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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Bump!


14 posted on 06/21/2004 7:17:57 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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I'm going to link to these files separately with appropriate warnings -- I refuse to watch; I just ate dinner. I already know what kind of animals ran Iraq.

But the unwitting American populace needs to see this. Every damn fool that keeps waving around the panty-raids at Abu Ghraib like some kind of hellish act needs to see this.

This is sheer hell. This is what they want for us. This is why we fight. This is why we will win.

15 posted on 06/21/2004 7:24:50 PM PDT by mhking
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I'm not sure if this server is able to run the media directly. I couldn't run it unless it was downloaded.

Add that text to your link, viewers 'download'.

I have more media files if you want them for your site. Let me know and I will freep mail you links.

And no, none are pleasant. :(


16 posted on 06/21/2004 7:27:39 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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I think the bandwidth is now blown at AEI. Site doesn't resolve at all now.


17 posted on 06/21/2004 7:40:01 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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I think the bandwidth is now blown at AEI. Site doesn't resolve at all now.

Between Taranto, FR & other blog sites, I'm not surprised....

18 posted on 06/21/2004 7:43:20 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Calpernia

Bump!


19 posted on 06/21/2004 8:18:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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"MR. PERLE: ...........but it seems to me that what we have seen today should be seen generally. And unless I'm mistaken, none of our networks has seen fit to cover it.

I've been in many meetings related to Iraq over the last few years. This room was generally full and the room next to it full. It isn't today. I think it's obvious that the interest on the part of the press in this story is a good deal less than the interest on the part of the press in other stories, including obviously stories about Abu Ghraib today."

The press isn't even feigning interst in this story. Says a lot.


20 posted on 06/21/2004 10:08:19 PM PDT by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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