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To: rudypoot
How does our Navy defend against an attack that consists of a call from Peking to all COSCO ships, ordering them to turn around?

You have no idea what our navy is capable of. You havn't even factored in our submarines. Their military equipment and strategies are still geared in the WW2 era. Their only hope is to do their damage and get out before we show up.

Get back with me when you know what a COSCO ship is, and what a call ordering them to turn around means.

Until then, thanks for the laughs. I tried visualizing a US sub commander surfacing, then getting on the horn and ordering a COSCO container ship to "haul your ass out of port NOW and get on over to California, Mister!", and I fell over, doubled up with gut-wrenching laughter.

Thanks.

I give us 30 days of non-supply from China before we're on our knees.

How long can china last without our influx of money? It works both ways. We can get the same items elsewhere for a little more money. Who the hell is going to pick up the buying spree if the US stops spending? ...

Wow, you really don't get it, do you.

This is war, not commerce.

The PLA thanks you for your blinkers.

"I" remember "you" from the pre-WWII era. You told me, "Don't be silly -- why would Japan attack us? Who would they get to buy their crap?" My kind couldn't reason with your kind then, and I see that Mr. Santayana's statement is proven true.

We've exported our manufacturing infrastructure. We have placed ourselves at the mercy of our avowed foe. We have made ourselves dependent on an enemy for our very survival.

Vote for Kerry if you actually believe this one.

Sell Lenin's philosophical heirs rope if you really believe your own tripe.

G'day, mite.

84 posted on 06/21/2004 6:55:04 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe

Are you saying that there is NO other industrial infrastructure in the world, anywhere, except China?


86 posted on 06/21/2004 6:57:38 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Don Joe
Until then, thanks for the laughs. I tried visualizing a US sub commander surfacing, then getting on the horn and ordering a COSCO container ship to "haul your ass out of port NOW and get on over to California, Mister!", and I fell over, doubled up with gut-wrenching laughter.

It's called blockade. Look into it. Stop and think before you laugh.

This is war, not commerce.

They are the same thing. Example: Reagan defeating USSR. The cold war was won without firing a shot. We can do the samething to the communists in China. Manufacturing jobs are coming back. Don't believe me, look at the numbers yourself. We have more leverage over china than you think.

The influx of money is having a negative effect on the communist party's control of the country. It's people are being educated at a record pace and recently private property was established. The mere fact that they allowed private property means that more and more people have a stake in the direction of the country. This is de-centralizing their absolute power. Captialists have been incorporated into the communist party. Who thought that was possible 15 years ago? Free elections are happening in all rural areas. Their financial sector is a basketcase right now. Why? Because the market forces have become greater than the government's power to control it.

We've exported our manufacturing infrastructure. We have placed ourselves at the mercy of our avowed foe. We have made ourselves dependent on an enemy for our very survival.

Dependent on our enemy for survival eh? Here's a fact:
"China’s imports of goods are roughly one-quarter of GDP, well above the share for the United States and Japan (for which the comparable ratio is around 10 percent)."
Souce = "China's Trade and U. S. Manufacturing Jobs", N. Gregory Mankiw, Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers. Testimony Before the House Committee on Ways and Means. Washington, D.C. October 30, 2003.

Who is more dependent on whom? I got this fact from a mere google search. It was more productive then laughing. The total imports for the US is 10% of our GDP and China accounts for 10% of our total imports.

Total imported goods from China to US: $152 billion (2003)
Total imported goods to US: $1.5 trillion (2003)

Our trade deficit with China is $125 billion. The US has a $10 trillion economy. OH NO! If we lose china as a trade partner we are all gunna DIE!! I'm not saying china has no impact on our economy, but gee whiz, look at the big picture here. We are spending $87 billion a year in Iraq , the drunken sailors in congress sneeze and they spend billions of dollars and I think just the pork spending by congress is equal to the total trade we have with China. All of this is happening during a strong economic expansion.

Contrast that with China's GDP. China has GDP of roughly $1 trillion. If the US yanks $152 billion out of China, it will have a greater effect. Further, foreign direct investment is equal to 40% of their GDP. Foreign investment deposits are about 1/3 of GDP. Guess where the majority of that foreign investment is coming from? Who is dependent on whom? After 30 days of a complete pull out of US capital and going to war with the US, who will be on their knees first?

Sure, China has a crazy streak and therefore should still be viewed as a threat. But I like our chances at peace.

153 posted on 06/22/2004 10:39:30 AM PDT by rudypoot (Rat line = Routes that foreign fighters use to enter Iraq.)
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