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To: Mr. Silverback

Please read closely. You are putting words in my mouth, and I have not done so to you.

I have never said that he should neglect his legal responsibities (that would be child support), I said he would logically LIMIT his legal responsibilities.

Now for the personal attacks section, please grow up.

My statement is that pointing to Gay Marriage and saying 'That is the cause' is pre-mature. Other social structures have changed, for example pre-maritial sex is now socially acceptable, where it was much less accepted 40 years ago.


18 posted on 06/21/2004 9:39:56 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar

Careful, yourself is showing through.

Marriage is right, because marriage is ordained by the Creator. Marriage is the foundation of all social instiutions that really matter -- including government.

Your are correct. Marriage is not easy, but it is the most stretching, ultimately satisfying relationship there is. Didn't you see the Reagan funeral? When all was said and done, who was the last one at the casket, weeping?

You may try to argue that your rationale against marriage is not selfish, but you are deceiving yourself. Real fulfillment in life does not come through living primarily for yourself, protecting yourself, looking out primarily for your own interests -- as Ayn Rand and the rest of the libertarians would have everyone believe -- but in giving yourself to others. This is true not only in marriage, but in business, in community, in politics. He who serves others in the beginning is exalted in the end.

We celebrate Jesus Christ today and we honor his memory. Why? Because he gave of himself completely for others. And we trust that the Creator has a reward for those who follow his example.

What do you think the Gettysburg Address was all about?

Your are right. A husband and a father has to give himself to his wife and children. He has to sublimate his own desires, his own happiness, for the purpose of making them happy. Ironically, when he begins to do this, he discovers that it is the only way to his own happiness. It is the path to true maturity and the true expression of American manhood and masculinity.

Until you are ready to commit your life to making someone's else's life one of happiness and joy, you SHOULDN'T get married. You are too immature -- incapable of doing the one thing that would also bring true happiness to yourself.

One more point. If you ever do marry, be sure you marry a woman who also has the heart of kindness and the heart of a servant. That way, she'll be kind to you even if you're a selfish... well, you know.


37 posted on 06/21/2004 10:32:26 AM PDT by white_wolf
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To: Hodar
Please read closely. You are putting words in my mouth, and I have not done so to you.

I didn't put any words in your mouth, you did. Here's a tip: The next time you post about what somebody else might do, don't describe their situation in the first person without any "this isn't me" disclaimer. That way you won't have to whine about it later.

My statement is that pointing to Gay Marriage and saying 'That is the cause' is pre-mature. Other social structures have changed, for example pre-maritial sex is now socially acceptable, where it was much less accepted 40 years ago.

Yes, your point was clear. It was also clearly refuted. As I said, the author wasn't comparing the Holland of 40 years ago with the Holland of today, he was comparing Dutch people who shacked up prior to gay marriage to Dutch people who shacked up after gay marriage.

Now for the personal attacks section, please grow up.

Here's what I posted about your first-person example. Find the ad hominem in it for me, would you please?

Why would any sane woman risk having sex (especially on a regular basis) with a man who has expressed the views you have? If she ends up pregnant, you "just move on with your life" and she ends up holding the bag? Not even paying child support?

69 posted on 06/23/2004 6:47:39 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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