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To: Salvation
I've been pretty much a supporter of righteous Roman Catholic clerics and lay persons, but now feel that I should ask Roman Catholics to consider what seems to be a pervasive phenomenon of decay which has surfaced in scores of unrelated incidents throughout the Church.

That, coupled with the fact that the Church's seminaries seem to be controlled by homosexuals and that the Church has become quite liberal at the highest levels, leads one to believe whether the Church has any spiritual or moral legitimacy and authority. So much of what is going on is abhorrent in the sight of God, and my heart goes out to my friends who are Roman Catholic.

My suggestion and entreaty is that they study the concept of apostacy and ask whether such has occurred.

The Savior Himself said (Matt.7:16) "By their fruits shall ye know them," and when a leader such as Cardinal Rodríguez, who has been described as "a fast-rising star in the Roman Catholic hierarchy" speaks "as forcefully as any of his colleagues against telling police about abuse allegations," persons of conscience should be asking questions.

Indeed, when Cardinal Bernard Law, "the former Boston archbishop who became the lone American diocesan leader driven from office over his handling of abuse cases" has been appointed by the Vatican as the archpriest of a basilica in Rome -- and is vigorously defended Cardinal Rodriguez to boot -- Roman Catholics should ask themselves whether the closing of dozens of churches within the Boston archdiocese merely coincidental or is cause for genuine alarm.

All of this bears no resemblance to the Church that the Savior established and turned over to Peter and His other Apostles, who largely were martyred and later succeeded by several popes who history has recorded committed all manner of wickedness.

So much for apostolic succession and authority, and the growth of a few other Christian denominations should not come as a surprise.

My prayers are with the millions of good Roman Catholics who deserve so much better than they are receiving from those purporting to represent and speak for Almighty God.....

53 posted on 06/23/2004 3:45:18 PM PDT by tracer
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To: tracer

**My suggestion and entreaty is that they study the concept of apostacy and ask whether such has occurred.**

Definitely some has occurred. If you want to know more hang out for an evening on the Religion Forum and witness the traditionalists vs. the Novus Ordo Catholics.


54 posted on 06/23/2004 4:41:39 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tracer

**I've been pretty much a supporter of righteous Roman Catholic clerics and lay persons, but now feel that I should ask Roman Catholics to consider what seems to be a pervasive phenomenon of decay which has surfaced in scores of unrelated incidents throughout the Church.**

You speak of this decay happening only in the Catholic Church. Would you say that it is happening right here in the United States that was founded on Judaeo-Christian principles? Sure is! So should the question be rephrased to something like "How is the Catholic Church taking care of this problem?


55 posted on 06/23/2004 4:44:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tracer; livius; chemicalman; Notwithstanding; PadreL; nickcarraway; NYer; Polycarp IV; ninenot; ...
**That, coupled with the fact that the Church's seminaries seem to be controlled by homosexuals and that the Church has become quite liberal at the highest levels, leads one to believe whether the Church has any spiritual or moral legitimacy and authority.**

The seminaries have been infested. You might be interested in checking out this assortment of links (all articles posted here on FR -- and fairly balanced) to judge for yourself about what is happening in the seminaries or with seminarians.

Today's seminarians reflect growing trend

Number of Seminarians Increases - Please Decipher This!!!!

In Seminaries, New Ways for a New Generation

Seminary Springtime: Father Darrin Connall s Big Success

EVIDENCE GROWS OF DIRECT DISOBEDIENCE TO VATICAN IN MAJOR AMERICAN SEMINARIES

Pope to Church: Risky Seminarians Must Go

Priests Down, Seminarians Up

U.S. Priests and seminarians survey: more vocations in orthodox dioceses

Vatican Announces Surge in Seminaries during JPII Pontificate

Seminary Reform Needed in Wake of Sex Abuse Study ["the crisis in the Church is ... homosexuality"]

Homosexuals in seminaries? The latest.....

56 posted on 06/23/2004 4:46:59 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tracer

**My prayers are with the millions of good Roman Catholics who deserve so much better than they are receiving from those purporting to represent and speak for Almighty God.....**

We thank you for your prayers and likewise, ask your forgiveness for all the wrongs the Catholic Church has wrought in the past.

Things will be better, and the Church will be stronger, despite this current cleansing.

The apostacy of which you speak did not happen overnight, nor will it all be cured overnight. It will take time. Believe it or not, my opinion only, the Catholic Church is probably slower in this regard than the bureaucracy of the United States.


57 posted on 06/23/2004 4:49:47 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tracer
"My suggestion and entreaty is that they study the concept of apostacy and ask whether such has occurred."

I pray daily for the Church, ask God for wisdom and discernment, and do much reading and studying of the situation and I'm sure many concerned Catholics are doing the same. It is dreadfully troubling, but for those of us who love the Church we have faith that she will not be lost to apostasy.
58 posted on 06/23/2004 5:05:45 PM PDT by k omalley
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