Posted on 06/20/2004 10:15:39 PM PDT by farmfriend
Pinging all the lists.
I hope Arnold takes a very close look at this and vetoes it.
I know earlier he expressed support for some Conservancy, but hopefully he recognizes the extent of the Dem bill and vetoes it.
Are there enough people opposed to it in the Legislature to sink it there?
With all due respect, where is McClintock, is he leading a charge against this?
Arnold did not "express support" for this, he is the one pushing it. His environmental policy was written by JRK Jr. And one of these bills was authored by a Republican.
With all due respect, where is McClintock, is he leading a charge against this?
Yes McClintock is opposed to this legislation. Rico Oller is opposing it as well.
Are there enough people opposed to it in the Legislature to sink it there?
Here is the vote total in the Assembly. I think the Rs are falling right in line with their leader.
It has already passed the Assembly and must be killed in the Senate. WE CAN NOT LET IT GET TO ARNOLD'S DESK. Do you really want to risk giving him the opportunity to sign it?
In the words of Arnold Schwarzenegger:
The Sierra Nevada Mountain Range is one of the state's crown jewels. Yet, unlike many of California's other natural treasures, it has no conservancy. As Governor I will propose establishment of a Sierra Nevada Mountains Conservancy.
I know earlier he expressed support for some Conservancy, but hopefully he recognizes the extent of the Dem bill and vetoes it.
Unfortunately, Mr. Leslie's bill will have much the same effect:
With all due respect, where is McClintock, is he leading a charge against this?
Good question. I've tried to get Tom to take this on. I've talked with John Stoos (his chief of staff) about it. John's attitude was, 'No matter what position we take on the environment, we lose.' I did my best and struck out.
From your link to JoinArnold.com:
ARNOLD'S AGENDA TO BRING CALIFORNIA BACKAction Plan for California's Environment
As Governor I will:Protect the Sierra Nevada. A decade of hard work by a broad variety of stakeholders resulted in the Sierra Nevada Framework, a policy document that has been widely hailed as a model of forest ecosystem resource protection. As Governor, I will direct all relevant state agencies to comply fully with the Framework and call on the federal government to honor its pledge to abide by the policies set forth in this unprecedented compact.
The Sierra Nevada Mountain Range is one of the state's crown jewels. Yet, unlike many of California's other natural treasures, it has no conservancy. As Governor I will propose establishment of a Sierra Nevada Mountains Conservancy.
AB 1788 Assembly Vote - Leslie bill for Sierra Nevada Conservancy
PS... I WILL be on the phone again tomorrow, calling anyone who will listen!
Leslie's bill is not Republican, see my comment on post#8.
You have to love all those Arnold contributors. Eli Broad, KB Homes, Pardee Homes, Ron Burkle, Hadi Makarechian, etc. Your list was quite informative (again). Of course, it also resembled a John Kerry fundraiser list, with Burkle and Broad present. I'm sure they just want to advance Republican values! (NOT!)
I guess no one has the guts to actually stand up for Republican values...
They're all politicians.
They have no values.
Let me clarify what I meant.
I meant that no one has the guts to stand up for Republican values and OPPOSE BOTH bills! While many Republicans voted against Lairds bill, fewer were opposed to the Leslie bill. I want to see ALL the Republicans voting NO to both!
To cite donations as an indication of "confidence in Arnold" or the California economy is to misunderstand what that portends. This isn't about building wealth (or protecting the environment), it's about controlling who gets it.
No kidding. "Mountains" indeed.
From AB 1788:
2)Designates the territory of the Conservancy as follows:
a) The Sierra Nevada Region consists of 20 designated
counties, from Lassen in the north to Kern in the south.
This region is further subdivided into five subregions,
each consisting of groups of adjoining counties;
b) The Core Sierra Nevada Region consists of an area
described by the 1,500-foot elevation contour on the
western slope of the Sierra Nevada and by named highways
and other natural and human features delineating the
northern, eastern, and southern boundaries of the core
region; and,
c) The territories of the California Tahoe and the San
Joaquin River Conservancies are excluded from these
regions.
(snip)
1) The region defined in AB 1788 includes large portions of the
Central Valley and, in Tehama, Fresno, and Kern Counties, it
extends entirely across the valley into the Coast Range. By
contrast, the western boundary of the region defined in AB
2600 stops at about the 500-foot elevation contour and
includes only small portions of the extreme eastern edge of
the valley floor. The core region defined in AB 1788, where
presumably the Conservancy's activities will be concentrated,
is significantly smaller than the region defined in AB 2600.
In particular, because AB 1788 uses the 1,500-foot elevation
contour as the western boundary of the core region, long
reaches of the deep canyons of the principal rivers of the
Sierra and many lakes and reservoirs situated below that
elevation are excluded from the core region.
I am interested in any bill with the word conservancy in it, and any bill associated in any way with an organization called the Nature Conservancy.
The top 12 states with the greatest combined ownership of state and Federal Lands are all western states, UT, NV, NM, MT, WY, CA, ID, OR, WA, CO, AZ, and AK. My next job is to total that land and see if it exceeds the size of at least one western state, my guess is it will.
Aaaaah that didn't take long, when #8 CA has over 52% of its land mass controlled by state or Federal governments, and #1 AK has 95% of its land mass controlled, not owned by state and federal agencies, that means to me that the over one half of the western united states is off the tax rolls and out of public hands. Can't see where that is a good thing. Penalized by 50% and still able to have a balanced budget?
Taking land off of the tax rolls is a bad idea I don't care what perceived conservation value the land has. Western states already have a disproportionate amount of land off the rolls compared to other states.
Allowing any agency to control land not beholden to the "people" and subject to the voters, is bad policy. Federal control is bad enough, state control is right behind. JMHO!
BTTT!!!!!!!
Placing unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in charge and giving them the power to dictate law is, by definition, a dictatorship. As mentioned, these people are establishing a soviet socialist system.
Because these bureaucrats are unelected, the friction they will create with people who own property will be devastating. This legislation pits two groups against each other - command and control Marxists vs people who believe in freedom. These two groups cannot co-exist. Conflict is inevitable. And because both groups are armed, we could well see a 21st century Concord Bridge incident sometime in the future.
The idea that the unelected can make law is alien to our system of democratic republicanism. Quite frankly, there is no democratic process in place to remove unaccountable bureaucrats engaged abuse, theft and cronyism. The Declaration of Independence speaks of these unelected leeches "eating out the sustenance" of property and its owners. This conservancy bill re-establishes the grievances that justified the Revoltionary war.
To stop this Marxist train and avoid what I believe is the "inevitable," people in California will need to engage in some high profile actions. Perhaps placing 100 foot banners over freeway passes alerting people to the danger. Letters and meetings will not do it anymore.
People, I believe, even those in California, find the idea of unelected bureaucrats making law repugnant. Americans as a whole still believe in electing officials so accountability is secured and insured by the people. It's time to peacefully make some headlines that even the left wing press can't ignore.
The assistant also admitted, on the air, that the bill that implements a system similar to the council system in from the Soviet Union to manage it. This is a Republican folks-- whose staff admited in a radio interview they are creating a soviet system in California.
Oh man. California is SO screwed. Shoulda voted for McClintock or the Libertarian Party.
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