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Peace with Arabia is hopless. The only thing they understand is force.
1 posted on 06/19/2004 5:20:50 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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palis = it's all about them.


2 posted on 06/19/2004 5:29:26 AM PDT by bitt
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Yep. So, force it has to be. They want to dish out terror. They do not have any idea the terror we can dish out in reply.

If you kill an American, you too should die after you have seen your loved ones die painfully.

THAT THEY WILL UNDERSTAND.

3 posted on 06/19/2004 5:30:24 AM PDT by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats.)
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Relion of Peace Cult of Death ping.

This one quote really says it all to me: "Sanna Qandil, a Palestinian-Jordanian secretary working in Amman, said the Johnson's killing was not out of the ordinary taking into consideration the violence across the Arab world.

"Let Americans know what it feels like to be a Palestinian, to lose a mother, child or father," she said."


Last I checked, no one - not us, not the Isrealis, not anyone - has BEHEADED any of the Islamofascists.

America needs to wake up and realize that we are fighting a global war against an evil group of people. We are engaged in the Third World War. This war will not end until the radical Islamic movement is destroyed by the West and/or from any moderates left (are there any?) left within the Islamic community.
4 posted on 06/19/2004 5:30:41 AM PDT by Skywarner (Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
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Ahh, the NYTimes of the Mid-East. Would be helpful to hear from the other side. Yesterday, MSNBC showed several Arab pundits on Arab TV discussing the Johnson beheading. The translations of their comments were remarkable anti-terrorist. Also heard yesterday about Egypt's success in eliminating terrorists from its borders. Perhaps the House of Saud will consider a similar action.
5 posted on 06/19/2004 5:30:52 AM PDT by LisaS
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We have three options when dealing with terrorists:

1. Die
2. Convert
3. Kill them.

GWB and I vote option 3. Sexy's boytoy wants to dwadle until they suceed at option 1.


6 posted on 06/19/2004 5:31:28 AM PDT by blanknoone (Gigolos for John Kerry...it has a certain ring to it.)
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Unfortunately, we have become too civilized to apply the lessons of the Fourth Punic War.


7 posted on 06/19/2004 5:31:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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How long has it been since the U.S. has tested its nukes? We shouldn't let them sit on the shelf too long without knowing whether they work or not.


8 posted on 06/19/2004 5:34:57 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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"What are they doing in Iraq? Why are they depriving natives from their most basic rights?" he asked.

And we're giving them what, now? Tens of billions of our dollars for reconstruction. Free medical care. New buildings. All of this while they kill us, the aid workers, and anyone else at hand.

Realize that the terrorists are not the deviants from the norm. No, the terrorists are the norm for adherents of is-slime.

9 posted on 06/19/2004 5:36:08 AM PDT by neutrino (Against stupidity the very Gods themselves contend in vain.)
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This is such a load of BS. These freakin' Arab barbarians are equating the murder and beheading of Paul Johnson as something related to the Iraq War or the ongoing conflict between Irael and the Palestinians.

Nothing could be furhter from the truth. The Saudi barbarians simply wanted to get in on the "fun" and found an American who had nothing to do with any of this BS to murder and that's what they did.

If we recall (which the media conveniently ignores) these barbarians initially stated that they were going to subject Mr. Johnson to the same humiliation as the prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Well, maybe I have a faulty memory, but as I recall it, NONE of the prisoners of Abu Ghraib were murdered and beheaded.

It's just another Arab/Muslim lie. No wonder these people tend to remind us so much of Bill Clinton - they are all the same person.


10 posted on 06/19/2004 5:37:39 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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While Arabs were horrified by the nature of Johnson's death, they said such incidents were bound to occur as long as Israel continued its brutal occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with virtually no intervention from the international community, along with the occupation of Iraq.

Let me get this straight. Follow along with me.

Bush is criticized because he said that Saddam Hussein was involved with planning 9/11... only he didn't say that at all. The media says, "It was a pretext to go to war."

Paul Johnson, an American working in Iraq, ostensibly is killed because Israel is leveling the homes of the families of Palestinian terrorists, but the media doesn't see any pretext to that at all.

Nope, no media agenda at all. Nothing to see here. Move along.

11 posted on 06/19/2004 5:40:23 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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It is precisely because of the sentiments quoted in this article, that Saddam should have been "executed" in his spider hole.

Should that human waste continue to breathe, after Iraq takes the reins, he will survive.

Should he do so, and become empowered once again, this war will have been for naught, and I can just imagine where we will go from there.

13 posted on 06/19/2004 5:41:08 AM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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The arabs will always use the Palestinian cause as an excuse for every deed they do. Should the problem ever be solved I don't know what excuse these people will use for their uncivilized behavior. What they do not see is that they helped to create the problem when they attacked Israel and land was taken as a result of their hostile actions.
14 posted on 06/19/2004 5:42:30 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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The comments of Ghalayani, the doctor, sound decidedly mixed. One mustn't forget that the Pal culture is one of fear and oppression. Especially one as prominent as he is knows that he must not sound too critical of the powers that be. It's so very easy to be labelled a collaborator and end up decorating a bridge superstructure. For the Arabs to admit moral failings is a very difficult thing, as their culture is build upon an exaggerated and misguided sense of honor. He mustn't get too close to that.

Nonetheless, the truth will not be buried forever. I suspect there are many in Arabia who are wrestling with their consciences.


16 posted on 06/19/2004 5:44:57 AM PDT by Paul_B (The day, Today, presents opportunities which we will never see again.)
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Call it a return to barbarism.

Seek out the families and home villages of the thugs. Liquidate their families and level their ancestral homes. The ancients knew how to squash thier enemies. We battle an enemy who lives in the 6th century. They haven't advanced: morally, mentally, politically, spiritually, since then.

17 posted on 06/19/2004 5:46:06 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Ron Reagan has slipped the surly bonds of Earth and touched the face of God.)
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One other intolerant thought I have about the Nick Berg/Paul Johnson murders. The barbarians who have performed these murders did so to get us stirred up because they love seeing our reactions on threads like this. Courtesy of us and the barbaric, unjustified murders they have committed, they are getting their 15 minutes of fame.

Suppose we turn the tables on them? Suppose we declare that, as a result of their barbaric murders, Mr. Berg and Mr. Johnson are martyrs who died for our cause? As martyrs, they get to ascend to Paradise and claim between them, 144 virgins!!! The Muslims might think twice if they believe that THEY have caused 144 virgins to be taken out of the virgin pool that is supposedly reserved just for Muslim martyrs!! It could mess with their heads a little.


18 posted on 06/19/2004 5:46:25 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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"This is a terrible tragedy and our thought and prayers are with all Americans tonight blah blah blah we um... feel your pain ... blah blah hopefully we can all use this opportunity to address other atrocities such as those commited by Israel against the Palestinians blah blah blah and we must take this time for all Americans to sincerely sit down and reflect on our actions blah blah..."

21 posted on 06/19/2004 5:53:15 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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"We can rule our own nations," he said.

No doubt.

Done a bang-up job so far, too.

Freakin' clueless "Please keep oppressing us, Oh great mullah-boolah-katoolah," 7-th century-lovin' muzzie vermin.

Do the world a huge favor and cease living; don't force us to make you...you won't like that one bit.

26 posted on 06/19/2004 5:59:26 AM PDT by MarineDad (Nobody ever came to regret or ruin by NOT trusting muslims.)
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What goes around comes around. There have only been two non-moslem countries that successfully conquered Bagdad--the Moguls in the mid thirteenth century and the US in 2003.

We both met the same problem--terrorism, suicide assassins and so forth. The moguls faced the "Assassins" (a group run by a Mullah who fed his religious fanatics hashish and controlled others by fears of assassination). The Mogul faced a myriad of castles all ensconced with "assassins." They solved the problem by laying serge to the one with the mad mullah, offered him sanctuary if he would persuade the others to surrender and they were successful.

The Mongols did what President Bush did with Sadr. The world sometimes does repeat history and what goes around comes around. Oh, incidentally, when the Mongols finally were successful, they offered the mad mullah a chance to plead forgiveness to the Great Khan, but he decided to wrap the mad mullah in a blanket and have him kicked to death.

I wouldn't know all of this except I recently completed reading Genghis Khan by Jack Weatherford of Macalester College in St. Paul, Minnesota.

27 posted on 06/19/2004 6:00:33 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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We haven't killed enough of them.


28 posted on 06/19/2004 6:02:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (STAGMIRE !)
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The ole 'the check is in the mail' just doesn't appease the terrorists any more.

Saudi funded them to go terrorize elsewhere. Now, they have come home to terrorize their benefactors.

The House of Saud needs to do some serious soul-searching right about now. Choice: Ugly Americans or uglier terrorists. House of Saud knows the Americans are only interested in oil. Terrorists are interested in taking the heads off the House of Saud. Choices, choices. House of Saud needs to choose soon---very soon; the terrorists are inside your gates.

31 posted on 06/19/2004 6:14:54 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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