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JAWS DROP AS CITY HS DROPOUTS TOTAL 350K (NYC at 30%)
NEW YORK POST ^ | 6/17/04 | CARL CAMPANILE

Posted on 06/18/2004 9:13:40 PM PDT by wagglebee

June 17, 2004 -- The Big Apple could be called Dropout City — a staggering 350,000 public high-school students have quit or flunked out of school since 1986, Department of Education data show.

That means the number of New York City dropouts over this period exceeds the entire population of such cities as St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Buffalo, St. Paul, Minn., and Newark.

The number of dropouts was disclosed during testimony at a City Council hearing on the Bloomberg administration's plan to open 70 new small schools next fall with startup funds provided by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

"New York City's dropout rate remained constant at 30 percent for a decade. Indeed, since the Board of Education first kept track in 1986, over 250,000 students had dropped out of school by 2000," said Robert Hughes, president of New Visions for Public Schools, a nonprofit group that helps the city develop small schools.

In fact, it's about 300,000 dropouts over that period. The city measures the dropout rate by tracking students until they turn 21, when they're legally required to leave secondary school.

The final data is not in for the years 2001-2003, but the city already knows that 39,181 students in these three graduation classes had dropped out by the age of 18. If trends continue, another 20,000 to 25,000 students aged 19-21 still in the system will quit.

"That's pretty remarkable," said council Education Committee Chairwoman Eva Moskowitz (D-Manhattan).

A top adviser to Schools Chancellor Joel Klein also cited the high dropout rate and low graduation rate — only one of every two high school students obtains a diploma on time — as reason to overhaul the city high schools.

"Dropout rates have been increasing since 1998," said Michele Cahill, the chancellor's senior counselor on educational policy. "Even starker challenges characterize many of our traditionally large, comprehensive zoned high schools with graduation rates below 40 percent."

Mayor Bloomberg plans to open a total of 200 schools with 500 students or less over the next few years in an attempt to help struggling kids achieve.

Cahill pointed to some of the existing smaller high schools in low-income neighborhoods, which have higher graduation rates (58 percent to 37 percent) of similar students in high schools with thousands of students.

But Moskowitz said smaller is not necessarily better without a strong principal and dedicated staff. She pointed to the dreadful performance of several small high schools, including those located at the Erasmus HS campus in Brooklyn.

Most of the 70 new schools will be assigned to existing facilities with other schools.

Teachers union president Randi Weingarten, while backing the small-schools movement, complained that the Bloomberg administration's decision last year to cram new schools into buildings with existing schools worsened overcrowding and safety conditions. She said functioning large schools should not be sacrificed to make way for these smaller schools.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: education; nycschools; publicschools
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To: devolve

61 posted on 06/19/2004 8:10:12 AM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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To: Don Joe
You can't base hiring decisions on outdated metrics. Get with the program!

What are you talking about? (Post 48) There's no way my venue of employment would hire a half-illiterate person.

62 posted on 06/19/2004 9:35:27 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: rintense
Let's see. I went to a city high school. Our freshman class was around 1300. Our graduating class was 361. That was in 1987 in Michigan.

You went to school with a bunch of morons, or with a bunch of Michigan folk. Your call.

63 posted on 06/19/2004 7:35:07 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Ciexyz
What are you talking about? (Post 48) There's no way my venue of employment would hire a half-illiterate person.

LMAO!

They already hired at least one half-(or more!) literal (minded) person.

Grow a sense of humor, eh?

64 posted on 06/19/2004 7:39:54 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Senator Pardek

It was a broad mix of cultures and races. Those who dropped out we're either low income whites or blacks.


65 posted on 06/19/2004 7:47:15 PM PDT by rintense (Screw justice. I want revenge.)
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To: devolve

A lot of backyards need cleaning up. We, in the border states have a large dropout rate. Can't be P.C. and tell the reason why!


66 posted on 06/19/2004 7:51:52 PM PDT by potlatch (HECK IS WHERE PEOPLE GO WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOSH)
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To: rintense
You went to school with a bunch of morons, or with a bunch of Michigan folk. Your call.

LOL - I was being facetious. I was not poking fun at morons - just Michiganders!

67 posted on 06/19/2004 7:56:14 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: wagglebee

As for vouchers, I pose the question of what if:

A muslim charter school opens up in your ( or anyones' )neighborhood?

Pandora box?
unexepected consequences?

Maybe a hard call!


69 posted on 06/19/2004 8:02:51 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: wagglebee

Future democrats.


70 posted on 06/19/2004 8:05:40 PM PDT by Constitutional Patriot (George W. Bush is a leader and John Kerry is not.)
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To: Constitutional Patriot

Future drains on the economy (welfare recipients) too.


71 posted on 06/19/2004 8:08:29 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

More likely criminals!


72 posted on 06/19/2004 8:10:37 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: NYTexan

Liberal=Democrat=welfare recipient=criminal. Its all the same in my book.


73 posted on 06/19/2004 8:13:00 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

I've got that same book! *L*


74 posted on 06/19/2004 8:18:39 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: wagglebee

When you're competing with every politician's darling, uneducated illegal aliens, for entry level jobs, you can't waste time in school.


75 posted on 06/19/2004 8:23:38 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62

Nor do you need school to stand on the corner and be a hooker or a drug-pusher.


76 posted on 06/19/2004 8:25:13 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

This is too much competition for the illegal aliens! We need to graduate all the kids and then give then $25k grants to the college of their choice.


77 posted on 06/21/2004 2:42:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( GET READY!!..-> http://www.ready.gov/get_a_kit.html)
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