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JAWS DROP AS CITY HS DROPOUTS TOTAL 350K (NYC at 30%)
NEW YORK POST ^ | 6/17/04 | CARL CAMPANILE

Posted on 06/18/2004 9:13:40 PM PDT by wagglebee

June 17, 2004 -- The Big Apple could be called Dropout City — a staggering 350,000 public high-school students have quit or flunked out of school since 1986, Department of Education data show.

That means the number of New York City dropouts over this period exceeds the entire population of such cities as St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Buffalo, St. Paul, Minn., and Newark.

The number of dropouts was disclosed during testimony at a City Council hearing on the Bloomberg administration's plan to open 70 new small schools next fall with startup funds provided by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

"New York City's dropout rate remained constant at 30 percent for a decade. Indeed, since the Board of Education first kept track in 1986, over 250,000 students had dropped out of school by 2000," said Robert Hughes, president of New Visions for Public Schools, a nonprofit group that helps the city develop small schools.

In fact, it's about 300,000 dropouts over that period. The city measures the dropout rate by tracking students until they turn 21, when they're legally required to leave secondary school.

The final data is not in for the years 2001-2003, but the city already knows that 39,181 students in these three graduation classes had dropped out by the age of 18. If trends continue, another 20,000 to 25,000 students aged 19-21 still in the system will quit.

"That's pretty remarkable," said council Education Committee Chairwoman Eva Moskowitz (D-Manhattan).

A top adviser to Schools Chancellor Joel Klein also cited the high dropout rate and low graduation rate — only one of every two high school students obtains a diploma on time — as reason to overhaul the city high schools.

"Dropout rates have been increasing since 1998," said Michele Cahill, the chancellor's senior counselor on educational policy. "Even starker challenges characterize many of our traditionally large, comprehensive zoned high schools with graduation rates below 40 percent."

Mayor Bloomberg plans to open a total of 200 schools with 500 students or less over the next few years in an attempt to help struggling kids achieve.

Cahill pointed to some of the existing smaller high schools in low-income neighborhoods, which have higher graduation rates (58 percent to 37 percent) of similar students in high schools with thousands of students.

But Moskowitz said smaller is not necessarily better without a strong principal and dedicated staff. She pointed to the dreadful performance of several small high schools, including those located at the Erasmus HS campus in Brooklyn.

Most of the 70 new schools will be assigned to existing facilities with other schools.

Teachers union president Randi Weingarten, while backing the small-schools movement, complained that the Bloomberg administration's decision last year to cram new schools into buildings with existing schools worsened overcrowding and safety conditions. She said functioning large schools should not be sacrificed to make way for these smaller schools.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: education; nycschools; publicschools
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I'm guessing that they will conclude that this is Bush's fault and more money will fix it. The answer is school vouchers, so students who want to learn can go to non-government schools where they will be taught by non-union teachers who want to teach.
1 posted on 06/18/2004 9:13:40 PM PDT by wagglebee
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Randi may be more evil than Crustfrau the Terrible.


2 posted on 06/18/2004 9:15:37 PM PDT by cyborg
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This is not news and should be immediately relegated to chat.

Sorry…couldn’t resist. :-)

3 posted on 06/18/2004 9:17:29 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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This is not news and should be immediately relegated to chat.

Touche!

4 posted on 06/18/2004 9:19:34 PM PDT by wagglebee
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Clearly, NYC hasn't opened enough gay schools.
5 posted on 06/18/2004 9:19:42 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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Clearly, NYC hasn't opened enough gay schools.

Or any Muslim schools to train future jihadists.

6 posted on 06/18/2004 9:20:52 PM PDT by wagglebee
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**a staggering 350,000 public high-school students have quit or flunked out of school since 1986, Department of Education data show.**

Something is terribly wrong here.


7 posted on 06/18/2004 9:20:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: South40

LOL


8 posted on 06/18/2004 9:21:13 PM PDT by cyborg
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That's an average of 67 students per high school per year for 18 years.


9 posted on 06/18/2004 9:22:33 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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"I'm guessing that they will conclude that this is Bush's fault and more money will fix it. The answer is school vouchers, so students who want to learn can go to non-government schools where they will be taught by non-union teachers who want to teach."

I highly question the longterm results of school voucher programs. If we take the lowest common denominator out of the public schools and put them into private schools, the quality of private schools will end up paying the price. Eventually there would be no difference between public and private schools.

10 posted on 06/18/2004 9:22:43 PM PDT by Super Mak90kid
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Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.

(Makes as much sense. Dropouts, stupids...all the same.)

11 posted on 06/18/2004 9:22:48 PM PDT by stboz
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The answer is school vouchers, so students who want to learn can go to non-government schools where they will be taught by non-union teachers who want to teach.

Absolutely. The answer is taking power away from the UFT educrats who have turned the schools into a cesspool and inviting competition --- make competing small schools within schools run by different non-UFT, non-NEA TEACHERS, not tenured educrats.

It always amazes me how the city's Catholic schools, which pay its teachers much less than the public schools, do much better than the educrat-run publik skools.
12 posted on 06/18/2004 9:23:02 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Salvation

Of course something is wrong, the teachers union cares more about power and money than educating children. Don't get me wrong I know that many (probably the large majority) of teachers are well-qualified and dedicated, but they are hindered by union bureaucracy.


13 posted on 06/18/2004 9:24:16 PM PDT by wagglebee
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And I thought the education system in CA was bad.


14 posted on 06/18/2004 9:24:31 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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"That means the number of New York City dropouts over this period exceeds the entire population of such cities as St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Buffalo, St. Paul, Minn., and Newark."

This is light work - between Hillary, Rangle, and Rev. Sharpton (and enough taxpayer money) these people will be "Movin' On Up To The East Side" before you know it.

15 posted on 06/18/2004 9:26:47 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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Of course teachers will want more pay for such a fabulous track record of "educating" students.


16 posted on 06/18/2004 9:27:27 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Note that they are going to try to emulate the schools with a 58% graduation rate. While this is certainly better than the 37% they achieve now, I think the net effect will be to pi$$ Bill & Melinda's money down a RAThole.

When I was in high school, graduation rates were in the 90+% range.


17 posted on 06/18/2004 9:27:34 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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A top adviser to Schools Chancellor Joel Klein also cited the high dropout rate and low graduation rate — only one of every two high school students obtains a diploma on time — as reason to overhaul the city high schools.

Ya really think, Joe?

18 posted on 06/18/2004 9:27:56 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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I used to do personnel work, and it was sad to see the occasional Black kid (it was always a Black, never a White) who turned in a barely-legible, scrawled job application that looked like a second grader wrote it:big uneven print that went up and down, not in a straight line.

It made me feel angry at our public school system. The poor kids wanted to work, but how could they get hired if they can't write?

19 posted on 06/18/2004 9:29:05 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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Unfortunately most of the dedicated, hard-working, well-qualified teachers who actually know something worth teaching have been driven from the schools by the bureaucracy.
20 posted on 06/18/2004 9:31:33 PM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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