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Citizens watch: many questions after 9/11 panel hearings (Who are these people?)
WATE Knoxville ^ | June 18, 2004 | AP

Posted on 06/18/2004 7:31:14 PM PDT by mountaineer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The 9/11 commission has concluded its final public hearing. But some victims' families say they're left with more questions than answers.

Members of 9/11 Citizens Watch, made up of victims' relatives, say investigators have interviewed thousands of people. ...

The group also notes the 9/11 panel's probe revealed major flaws in the response to the terrorist attacks. ...

The group also says key whistleblowers who revealed intelligence lapses in the months before 9/11 weren't included in the commission's hearings.

(Excerpt) Read more at wate.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; bush; citizenswatch; conspiracy; gorelick; kerrey
I just saw a representative of this group on CSPAN, so I wondered who they really are. Here's the registration info on their website, www.911citizenswatch.org:

Registrant Name:Kyle Hence
Registrant Street1:P.O. Box 1255
Registrant City:Newport, RI

The group recently issued a press release which, I think, clearly shows their nutball agenda:

WASHINGTON, June 14 /U.S. Newswire/ -- 9/11 CitizensWatch, a public group working to monitor the national 9/11 Commission and demand transparency, accountability and a thorough investigation will hold two press events in relation to the upcoming final public hearings of the National Commission on Terrorist Acts Upon the United States ("9/11 Commission") scheduled for June 16 and 17, 2004.

On the eve of the hearings, 9/11 victims' family members, government whistleblowers and investigative journalists will address questions and issues that remain unanswered and ill addressed, as well as their dissatisfaction with the process and progress of the 9/11 Commission's investigative efforts to date. This event will be held at 1 p.m. on Tuesday, June 15 at the National Press Club's Holman Lounge (14th & F Sts. NW, 13th Floor) and will include the following speakers:

-- April Gallop, survivor of the attack on the Pentagon will discuss Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's evasive sworn testimony regarding whether or not NORAD pilots received, acknowledged and understood orders given them on 9/11, and why further investigation is of paramount importance.

-- Daniel Hopsicker, author of "Welcome to Terrorland" will present evidence of discrepancies in the official story of Mohammed Atta and others named as planners and perpetrators of the attacks, including new documents that link Atta to US defense contractors and questions about his training at Maxwell AFB.

-- Kyle Hence and John Judge, co-founders of 9/11 CitizensWatch will speak to Defense Department and other preparations and exercises simulating plane attacks before and on September 11, CIA and Pakistani intelligence support for the growth and origins of Al Qaeda, including support for the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks, and recent revelations by whistleblower Sibel Edmonds concerning FBI foreknowledge of specific warnings of the plot and alleged cover-up of incompetence and corruption on a larger scale.

Following the hearings, CitizensWatch will hold a follow-on press conference to allow victims' family members and other concerned citizens to voice their response to the hearing and their options if the Commission report does not satisfy their questions about the events, or their demands for accountability. This event will take place on Friday, June 18 at the First Amendment Room of the National Press Club at 9 a.m. Press and the public are invited to attend.

"If the message of the August 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Briefing that bin Laden planned an attack inside the United States, and other warnings about the use of hijacked planes as weapons, had been made public the plot might have been foiled. Instead, the threat was heard behind closed doors and the response of the Bush administration seems to have been to ignore the situation until it escalated into reality," said John Judge, co-founder of the group. rest of document.

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Co-founder Kyle Hence sounds particularly "eclectic," to say the least:

Kyle's life's work finds its genesis in large part in Bucky Fuller, whose ascendant optimism inspired in him the extraordinary faith that we will indeed experience a reversal of the GRUNCH (Gross Universal Cash Heist) of Giants and an unprecedented entirely conscious planetwide transformation of civilization.

More about Hence.

Others are suspicious of their motives, see here.

Co-founder John Judge's credentials are equally suspect:

John Judge is a co-founder of 911 CitizensWatch, a grassroots watchdog group demanding transparency and a thorough investigation by the National Commission on Terrorist Acts Upon the United States. John is also a co-founder of Committee for an Open Archives, Coalition on Political Assassinations (COPA), and Committee for High School Options and Information on Careers, Education and Self-Improvement (CHOICES), a group countering military recruitment in the schools and providing civilian alternatives. John is currently on the board of the Washington Peace Center and has been an activist opposing war, racism and militarism since the 1960s. John is an independent researcher and lecturer on political assassinations, covert operations, hidden history, and the rise of fascism in America, and is available as a speaker for presentations, forums, and media interviews. More about Judge

So my question is this: who wants to bet the mainstream media will adopt these whackjob organization as a true representative of families of 9/11/01 victims, and will hang on their every anti-Bush administration utterance?

1 posted on 06/18/2004 7:31:17 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer

The media has been quoting them from day one. www.911citizenswatch.org: is a group of left wing Bush haters who are funded by the "Tides Foundation"....... A Thereza Heinz Kerry foundation


2 posted on 06/18/2004 7:36:13 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Troops swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, LOOKOUT DEMS)
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To: mountaineer
Remember, right after 9/11, Democrats said they'd never exploit this terrible tragedy for political gain? Boy, did that ever bite the dust.

The 'Families' of 9/11 (Kristin Brightwiser, etc.) are political operatives of the DNC, shamelessly exploiting the loss of loved ones to further the Liberal agenda. Just when you think that the Left couldn't sink any lower...

3 posted on 06/18/2004 7:38:28 PM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: mountaineer
I listened to about the first 2 minutes with the bearded guy. He was throwing so many allegations and innuendos at the Bush Admin that I turned him off. His agenda was definitely showing.
4 posted on 06/18/2004 7:40:48 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: MJY1288

I'd be willing to bet this group receives funding from some offshoot of the Heinz Foundation or from Papa Soros.


5 posted on 06/18/2004 7:42:40 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: TomGuy

The comission is made up of a bunch of has been and only want face time on the boob tube.


6 posted on 06/18/2004 7:45:36 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: mountaineer

Why do the 9/11 victims' relatives get a disproportionate voice in public policy, but the 2/26 survivors, like myself, are never asked for an opinion?


7 posted on 06/18/2004 7:47:11 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The New York Times: All the Lies that Fit the Socialist Agenda)
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To: Starve The Beast; All
More nitwittery, from an earlier press release:

(Washington, DC) 9/11 CitizensWatch, a public group working to monitor the national 9/11 Commission and demand transparency, accountability and a thorough investigation agrees with Commission Chair Gov. Thomas Kean that 9/11 "was not something that had to happen". "If normal procedures had been followed by FAA and NORAD, numerous and specific warnings and forewarnings had been acted on, and investigative leads had been allowed to be properly followed, it is certainly possible that the plot could have been foiled," notes John Judge, a co-founder of CitizensWatch.

"There was an across-the-board failure of every possible warning, prevention, interception and defense system simultaneously that made 9/11 possible. This goes beyond simple incompetence or failure of agencies to cooperate. Routine procedures were breached that had the potential to save thousands of lives, and systems were inexplicably blind to known threats. Standard defenses were never mobilized on 9/11... all raise the disturbing spectre of insider complicity," said Kyle Hence, the group's co-founder. rest of nonsense

8 posted on 06/18/2004 7:51:31 PM PDT by mountaineer
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It seems they blame everyone else BUT the ISLAMIC monsters that murdered thier family members. I wonder if John Judge of the 911 CitizensWatch actually helped the ISLAMIC monsters kill all these people.


9 posted on 06/18/2004 8:12:58 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: mountaineer
Thanks for this post.

"all raise the disturbing spectre of insider complicity" - do not dismiss this statement out of hand.

I am very glad the 911 Commission report may actually contain these words.

There was absolutely no way 911 could have transpired without insider complicity. NOW WHOSE PEOPLE were in charge when 911 happened? THEY WERE STILL THE CLINTONISTAS in charge of FBI, of CIA, of Dept of Transportation (Minetta was there for a specific purpose - and remains there)....etc, etc, ad nauseum.

The 911 Commission's purpose is to do exactly what has become the M.O. of the Clinton Criminal Cabal: To go after their enemies accusing them of doing EXCACTLY what the Clinton thugs actually did.

BenVeniste and Gorelick are on that commission specifically to be IN charge of the investigation just as the Clintonistas ran the TWA 800 Investigation and just as they ran the OKC investigation and just as they ran the Vince Foster investigation and just as they ran the Ron Brown non-investigation and just as they ran EVERY "investigation" that has occurred during their almost 32 years in political control. (20 years in Arkansas - 8 years in WH - 4 years in Senate).

They knew 911 was going to happen.

They had contacts within the Terrorist world - with the Saudi's; with the Iraqi's; with the PLO and company.

They had THEIR PEOPLE in at Interpol, the FBI, our CIA.

When the terrorist flew in to those towers - THEY MADE UP A STORY ABOUT CHELSEA BEING NEAR THE DANGER - because Bill was out of the country and Hillary was conveniently late to a Capitol event (which would have been destroyed by the incoming flight from Pennsylvania) while Mrs. Bush was very much on time and present at the Capitol that day.

WHEN WILL PEOPLE WAKE UP?

The Clintons not only destroyed our military and intelligence capabilities - to defend America - THEY PURPOSEFULLY TOOK THEM OVER to USE THEM (our Defense and our Intelligence capabilities) TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED WHEN THEY WANTED IT, including the having the terrorists strike on 911 - believing we would NEVER retaliate, believing that Mrs Bush would have been killed leaving our grieving President too heart stricken to respond with power and might, leaving the Capitol itself in tatters but the Clintons (all of them) quite SAFE and ready to stride onto the scene and "take control" after the tragic events!

They WANTED 911 to happen when it happened.

They KNEW it was going to happen before it occurred.

They were conveniently SAFE away from harm's way.

They had to IMMEDIATELY cover up their crime - by pretending Chelsea was near the danger - so, they - therefore - could NEVER be implicated as co-perpetrators of this horror.

They have since made it their goal since NO ONE would DARE accuse them of being "in on this heinous attack" - to go after President Bush for the VERY THING of which they are guilty!!!!

When the 911 commission was set up - DOES ANYONE WITH EYES think it is just a coincidence that Gorelick and BenVeniste landed on it?????? These 2 are there to totally ensure that the Clintonistas' role in 911 continues to be covered up - and to see to it that President Bush (great diversion) is charged with their own crime!!!!

It has always worked for them. No one would ever believe such evil exists on the part of "American leaders".

Since it cannot be believed - it must not be true.

But it is true.

And, what is further true - is that they will stop at NOTHING to achieve the controlling power - again.

NOTHING.

10 posted on 06/18/2004 8:15:14 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

The 9/11 Commission, without a doubt, is a farce. Gorelick, Ben-Veniste and Kerrey's presence ensures it.


11 posted on 06/18/2004 8:17:05 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
So my question is this: who wants to bet the mainstream media will adopt these whackjob organization as a true representative of families of 9/11/01 victims, and will hang on their every anti-Bush administration utterance?

Anyone who would bet against that is a complete fool who probably answers Nigerian e-mails.

I'd say these moonbats are sending a message to the kangaroo court on behalf of all the 9/11 moonbat groups being funded by George Soros, Terry McAuliffe and Teresa Heinz Kerry - make sure the report nails George Bush and everyone senior person in the Administration hard to the wall, and make sure it completely exonerates the Rats and the Clintons, or else.

12 posted on 06/18/2004 8:42:39 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ( "While I take inspiration from the past, like most Americans, I live for the future. " - R. Reagan)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Awesome theory dude. Add in the attempted assassination of Bush down in Florida, and it gets better.


13 posted on 06/18/2004 10:33:12 PM PDT by Iconoclast2
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To: TomGuy
John is currently on the board of the Washington Peace Center and has been an activist opposing war, racism and militarism since the 1960s.

Yes, it's fair to say John Judge has an agenda. Probably never held a job, but plenty of agenda.

14 posted on 06/19/2004 7:12:56 AM PDT by mountaineer
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