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To: OLD REGGIE; Havoc; RobbyS
Did it take 25 years to drive the English out of Roen? Why do you bother with your empty excuses? The trial was presided over by The Bishop of Beauvis, Pierre Cauchon, hardly an Englishman.

The lengthy re-trial process was initiated shortly after the English were driven out of Roen.

As to the fact that the Bishop of Beauvis, Pierre Cauchon, was "a Frenchman", you fail to note that Pierre Cauchon was a Burgundian political partisan of the Duke of Burgandy, that the Duke of Burgundy was waging civil war against the rest of France and the French King and that Joan was captured by Burgundian troops.

The fact that Pierre Cauchon was "hardly an Englishman" is as irrelevant as the fact that the Vichy French forces that killed 556 American soldiers and 300 British soldiers in North Africa during Operation Torch "were hardly Germans".

The Burgundians were the allies of the English in 1431 just as the Vichy French were the allies of the Germans in 1942.

The bottom lines are:

1. The Duke of Burgundy and the King of France were engaged in Civil War, an ecclesiastical trial was manipulated by local partisans for local political purposes and "Rome" did not have a dog in that fight.

2. Regrettably as it may be by today's standards, both the Catholics and the Protestants of that historical era had institutionalized the death penalty for heresy, Calvinist Geneva made current-day Saudi Arabia seem enlightened and, as late as 1692, Protestants on the American continent were conducting religious trials and executions.

However, today, only the Catholic religious intolerance of past centuries is criticized and exaggerated while Protestant religious intolerance is never mentioned unless, as in the case of the Salem Witch Trials, it is depicted as amusing entertainment.


279 posted on 06/20/2004 3:56:03 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
However, today, only the Catholic religious intolerance of past centuries is criticized and exaggerated while Protestant religious intolerance is never mentioned unless, as in the case of the Salem Witch Trials, it is depicted as amusing entertainment.

Hogwash! Religious "intolerance" (torture, suppression and killing) is wrong and has always been wrong. It cannot be excused for any reason.

How long did the "Salem Witch Trials" last? Less than one year - that's how long. It was wrong then, now, and forever. But it took the Puritans less than one year to come to their senses. How many years were people being tortured and killed under the various Inquisitions. They are comporable in their error but to compare the Salem Witch Trials to the Inquisition in the scope of their horror is redicululous.

BTW the Witch Trials were held in what is now Danvers, Massachusetts. Salem Witch Trials - Here

284 posted on 06/21/2004 8:00:28 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Polybius
However, today, only the Catholic religious intolerance of past centuries is criticized and exaggerated while Protestant religious intolerance is never mentioned unless, as in the case of the Salem Witch Trials, it is depicted as amusing entertainment.

We keep coming back to the same issues. You want to point the finger at everyone else. The article here is talking about trying to minimize the impact of the inquisition. When someone posts a newsworthy article about Protestants doing similar handwringing, we'll have something to talk about. Right now we're on this. And it does not good to point to others and whine while noting that Rome rejected scripture that was plane and obvious on the issue, got in trouble for it, and now wants to lie about it and handwring. 'well we're better than others of the time' So what, you're supposed to be comparing yourself to Christ, not hoping to look mildly better than the worst secularism has to offer.

286 posted on 06/21/2004 8:02:55 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Polybius
Why didn't you respond to 271? The questions were not rhetorical.

Duke of Burgundy was waging civil war against the rest of France and the French King and that Joan was captured by Burgundian troops

That statement is overreaching & more wrong than right. BTW, Joan was captured by Luxemburg's troops.

The Burgundians were the allies of the English in 1431 just as the Vichy French were the allies of the Germans in 1942.

Bad analogy.

However, today, only the Catholic religious intolerance of past centuries is criticized and exaggerated while Protestant religious intolerance is never mentioned unless, as in the case of the Salem Witch Trials, it is depicted as amusing entertainment.

I have a bone of contention with many of the actions of some Protestant leaders too, but that's beside the point or it should be in this discussion.

310 posted on 06/21/2004 10:33:16 AM PDT by GoLightly
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