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To: Havoc; RobbyS
Right. Exactly right. Rome pronounced her a heretic and turned her over to be executed. And when Rome later felt the egg oozing down, political expediency required that the story change to hide the error.

Joan was captured by the troops of the Duke of Burgundy who was waging war, in alliance with England, against the French King and the rest of France.

Joan was tried under the jurisdiction of Pierre Cauchon, the Bishop of Beauvais, a partisan of the Burgundian party.

The Bishop of Beauvais' authority was invoked because Compiègne, where Joan was captured, lay in the Diocese of Beauvais. However, since Beauvais was in French hands, the trial was held at Rouen.

Could you document for us how England, the Duke of Burgundy waging war against the French King and the Burgundian partisan Pierre Cauchon, the Bishop of Beauvais, merit the title of "Rome".

If the English, the rebellious Duke of Burgundy and his partisan Pierre Cauchon, the Bishop of Beauvais, represented "Rome", what did the French King Charles VII and the rest of France that was loyal to the French King represent?

267 posted on 06/20/2004 8:08:35 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Pierre Cauchon was elevated to authority by Rome, not Burgandy & not England. Joan was convicted by of heresy by an ecclesiastical court, not a secular court.

If the English,

The Norman French (English) had more "French" holdings, through direct descendancy from their "French" ancestors than the other crowned head of France, Charles VII. Who was named as heir to the French throne by Charles VII's father?

the rebellious Duke of Burgundy and his partisan Pierre Cauchon, the Bishop of Beauvais, represented "Rome", what did the French King Charles VII and the rest of France that was loyal to the French King represent?

Joan was examined in Portiers at the beginning everything & so it can be said that Rome was on the side of Charles VII too. At the trial reversing Joan's conviction, who/what was found at fault?

271 posted on 06/20/2004 12:20:22 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Polybius; RobbyS

I'll answer your question; but, with a caveat - Who determined that Joad was a heretic. Even the movies which the Catholics here about herald don't try to obscure as you just have, who's role that was. So, who deemed Joan a Heretic and turned her over to the civil authority for burning?

Right, that was the office of the Inquisition which happens to represent most directly - ROME. Rome found it in it's power to threaten people with excommunication followed by the charge of heresy for not putting an avowed heretic to death if so charged to do so; but, when it comes to someone Rome now wishes to say was not only innocent; but, rather a saint - Rome's power evaporates before our eyes and we are to believe they had none and could do nothing. Poppycock!
Rome was complicit in putting this woman to death and then raises to sainthood a woman they themselves had part in martyring. Incidentally, this is precisely why Christ removed from men the authority to stand in mortal judgement over the soul of another.. mortal judgement - cause you don't know what that person's heart holds nor what God is capable of doing with that person later if they live. What does scripture say about destroying the temple of the living God?


272 posted on 06/20/2004 12:34:19 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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