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Do you think yesterday's headlines "Commission finds no collaboration between Iraq and Al Queda" accurate?

Its a yes or no question.

Sorry, I watch the news, I watch the Whitehouse press corps, I watch the editor's that decide whats "front page" and whats "A-16 page".

From coast to coast yesterday, the mainstream media perpetrated a fraud on "We the People". While its not uncommon (Jayson Blair comes to mind, as does Howell Raines, the Boston Globe, the LA Times, etc etc etc) this was so blantant, so reprehensible, and so counter to what the fourth estate proclaims it stands for.....

I guess I should not be surprised a self proclaimed member of the media doesn't see this clearly.

The media is engaging in a massive fraud, and you want to split hairs? Knock yourself out. Its this kind of attitude from media types whenever their credibility is challenged that causes average Americans to rate reporters lower than lawyers and used car salesmen.

I guess I should not be surprised a self proclaimed member of the media doesn't see this clearly.

That's more than a yes or no question.

Yes that is what the commission stated in its report. I saw that on Fox last night, and on other network news as well.

That makes it an accurrate statement.

Does that mean (and I believe this may be your real question or questions)...:

a)...the commission is correct?

b)...I believe the commission is correct?

The answer to both those questions is no. I believe the commission reached the wrong conclusion.

The point here is that the commission made that statement. If the newspaper repeats the statement in its headline, why is that wrong?

In fact, hereis the text of the report:

“Bin Ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein’s secular regime. Bin Ladin had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Ladin to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting with Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded. There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior Bin Ladin associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.

Whether Bin Ladin and his organization had roles in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and the thwarted Manila plot to blow up a dozen U.S. Commercial aircraft in 1995 remains a matter of substantial uncertainty.” --Staff Statement No. 15, Delivered 9 a.m. June 16, 2004 at the Twelfth public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (Page 5 of the text).

Did the commission make that statement? Yes

Is the headline accurate? Yes.

It sound to me like you are upset with the message, not the messenger. It also sounds like you are the sort of individual who assumes that anything spoken or written by the media that does not match your personal view of the world is a lie.

I disagree with that statement, but I am directing my angry toward the commission that made the statement, not the reporter or newspaper that printed it.

Furthermore, I didn't write that headline; therefore, when you take your anger out on all the media for the work of one individual (whom I have showed told the truth), you are essentially guilty of the same crime of which you are accusing the media--lying.