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BATFE: New Proposal: Permission to Construct a Weapon?
Federal Register ^ | May 28,2004 | Brenda E. Dyer, Dept. Clearance Officer, USDOJ

Posted on 06/17/2004 11:57:26 PM PDT by Drammach

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Seems to me, this says that BATF wants to legislate the requirement that all personal or private gun assembly that they do not consider "sporting" purpose, falls under their jurisdiction, and permission must be given by BATF if you wish to build or assemble a private firearm.
1 posted on 06/17/2004 11:57:27 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: Joe Brower; *bang_list

ping to list please..


2 posted on 06/17/2004 11:59:14 PM PDT by Drammach (Ripley... Last survivor of the Nostromo.... signing off....)
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To: Drammach

Wait till y' see the forms and red tape they have in mind for hand-loaders.


3 posted on 06/18/2004 12:03:26 AM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: Drammach

bump


4 posted on 06/18/2004 12:03:40 AM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: dasboot
Used to be you could buy and assemble your own black powder pistol..
Sounds like this would outlaw such activities.. and more..
5 posted on 06/18/2004 12:04:54 AM PDT by Drammach (Ripley... Last survivor of the Nostromo.... signing off....)
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To: Drammach
Unnecessary bureaucrats inventing unnecessary regulations mired in incomprehensible language . Forget paperwork reduction: reduce the B'crats.

These Fed agencies are full of twisted persons. Their approach to regulatin' is comparable to an engraver's exactitude in crosshatching plates for printing currency. We need hard-to-forge currency...we sure don't need this:

5) An estimate of the total number of respondents and the amount of time estimated for an average respondent to respond: There will be an estimated 5 respondents, who will complete a written letter within approximately 30 minutes.

6 posted on 06/18/2004 12:23:06 AM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: Drammach; Travis McGee

History is over, so it's for the children.


7 posted on 06/18/2004 2:17:30 AM PDT by risk
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8 posted on 06/18/2004 5:19:02 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Drammach

FMCDH


9 posted on 06/18/2004 5:25:51 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Burger-Eating War Monkey)
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To: Drammach

I take this to mean they are talking about asking permission
to assemble a Class III device, a machinegun or sawed-off
shotgun. I would think this is a step up, as right now, you
can't build a prototype Class III firearm unless it is being
made specifically for the government. This would allow
experimenters to build new types of guns.

This would NOT apply to people building muzzleloaders or
modern guns, as they are already considered as having a
"sporting" purpose.


10 posted on 06/18/2004 5:26:06 AM PDT by G-Bear (Everything I need to know, I learned from "Lonesome Dove.")
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To: Drammach
A few years ago, my neighbor saw an ad in Shotgun News on how to assemble a .50 cal BMG rifle. All that was "required" was an old M2HB barrel and the plans for $400. Well, my very enterprising neighbor did some checking and found the average price for a completed 50 rifle was in the thousands of dollars! "So why don't WE form a company and DO this? Make some nice moolah? Hmmmmm?" I told him to look into those plans in a more indepth manner. That was before I started quoting the ATF regs. Those plans called for the internal parts of the weapon to be individually machined right down to the trigger. I wonder how many folks bought those plans for $400 a pop? Easier to publish the plans than to build the rifle!
11 posted on 06/18/2004 5:28:08 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Paranoid is what the LAZY call: the Determined and Prepared.)
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks for the ping.

So where do I get my "permit" to go to church or read a book?

12 posted on 06/18/2004 5:32:11 AM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: Drammach

This is bad, very bad. We must stop this in it's tracks. The definition of sporting purpose or sporting arm has never been defined in law and the ATF has abused the term greatly.

This is a BS attempt to get an end around on the sunset of the AW ban. All the ATF needs to do is deny any requests to build a gun with a flash suppressor or other "evil" feature.

I suggest the following courses of action...

1. write letters to the head of the BATFE in complaint.
2. write your congressmen and senators.
3. get a congressman or senator to introduce a bill to eliminate the sporting purpose clause from the 1968 GCA and get a bill introduced to bar the ATF from blindly dictating vague policies that have no basis in law.

We have to jump on this right now. Unless you guys really don't mind being told that you can't put a flash hider on your post 94 gun when the ban sunsets...

Mike


13 posted on 06/18/2004 5:33:52 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: Drammach

A right does not require permission.

Is this the beginning of the end for spud guns too?


14 posted on 06/18/2004 5:36:19 AM PDT by Manic_Episode
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To: Drammach

So... do we know what this means, exactly? Would we have to get "permission" from the BATFE to "assemble" an AR-10 or AR-15 from a stripped lower and a parts kit? What about to swap around uppers?


15 posted on 06/18/2004 6:04:01 AM PDT by gieriscm (The AW ban sunsets on 09/13/2004)
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To: G-Bear

We ought to be able to build an NFA firearm right now, especially if we pass all the background checks. If we can legally buy a full auto for $5000 and up, then why can't we legally build one for $500?


16 posted on 06/18/2004 6:05:05 AM PDT by Sender (Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. -Tolstoy)
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To: Sender

Considering that the BATFE is a FEDERAL agency and the FEDERAL Constitution say quite clearly "shall not be infringed", you'd think the BATFE could just go F*CK OFF!!! And take their unConstitutional '34 NFA, '68 GCA, and the POS Brady Bill with them....


17 posted on 06/18/2004 6:11:44 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: BCR #226
This is bad, very bad.

Actually, it is "paperwork reduction". They are asking for requiring just a letter from the people who wish to assemble a weapon rather than the currently existing paperwork.

18 posted on 06/18/2004 6:32:11 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK

Um... one problem with that. There is no paperwork required presently unless the firearm falls under NFA restrictions. Heck, there is no requirement to notify the ATF at all if you want to build a title 1 firearm.

Mike


19 posted on 06/18/2004 6:49:39 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: G-Bear

This does not relate to the NFA act (class 3) at all... This is ALL non-sporting purpose firearms as the ATF defines them... which can change at any time. Basically, if you can't import it, you won't be able to assemble one without their permission.

I hope that I'm wrong on this but I somehow doubt it.

Mike


20 posted on 06/18/2004 6:52:47 AM PDT by BCR #226
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