Nets Pounce on No bin Laden-Saddam Link, But Bush Believed Media

And all Clinton did was waste some cruise missiles on camels and tents!

Here's a thought .. if Bin Laden was trying to obtain it than ... what do you think were the chances he could have been trying to obtain it with ... say Nigar???

Realplayer said he needed new software so he automagically downloaded that but the link to the NPR file timed out

I just tried it again .. and it timed out this time also

Hmmmmm .. is right

Updated 9 February 1999

AL QAEDA FILES

These files provide information on Al Qaeda and suspects in the bombings of U.S. Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania on August 7, 1998.

Date	Document	URL
9 February 1999	Experts Find No Arms Chemicals at Bombed Sudan Plant, February 9, 1999	http://jya.com/obl020999.htm
8 February 1999	In Islamic World, Bin Laden's Esteem Rises, February 8, 1999	http://jya.com/obl020899.htm
6 January 1999	Indictment of Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, January 6, 1999	http://jya.com/mms010699.htm
2 January 1999	Osama Bin Laden Speaks to ABC News, January 2, 1999	http://jya.com/bin-laden-abc.htm
17 December 1998	Press Release on Indictment of Fadhil, Mohamed, Ghailani, Msalam, and Swedan, December 16, 1998	http://jya.com/usa121698.htm
27 November 1998	Usama Bin Laden and Five Others Docket, November 24, 1998	http://jya.com/ubl+5-112498.htm
27 November 1998	Usama Bin Laden Docket, November 24, 1998	http://jya.com/ubl112498.htm
27 November 1998	Usama Bin Laden Docket, November 24, 1998	http://jya.com/ubl112498.htm
27 November 1998	Wadih El Hage Docket, November 24, 1998	http://jya.com/weh112498.htm
27 November 1998	Fazul Abdullah Mohamed Docket, November 24, 1998	http://jya.com/fam112498.htm
27 November 1998	Mohamed Sadeek Odeh Docket, November 24, 1998	http://jya.com/mso112498.htm
27 November 1998	Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali Docket, November 24, 1998	http://jya.com/mro112498.htm
27 November 1998	Muhammed Atef Docket, November 24, 1998	http://jya.com/ma112498.htm
12 November 1998	Usama Bin Laden Docket, November 6, 1998	http://jya.com/ubl110698.htm
4 November 1998	Press Release Usama Bin Laden Indictment, November 4, 1998	http://jya.com/usa110498.htm
4 November 1998	Indictment of Usama Bin Laden, November 4, 1998	http://jya.com/usa-v-laden.htm
4 November 1998	Indictment of Usama Bin Laden and Five Others, November 4, 1998	http://jya.com/usa-v-laden+5.htm
30 October 1998	Khalid Ibrahim Docket, October 22, 1998	http://jya.com/ki102298.htm
30 October 1998	Mamdouh Mahmud Salim Docket October 15, 1998	http://jya.com/mms101598.htm
30 October 1998	New York Times:U.S. Ex-Sergeant Charged as bin Laden Accomplice	http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/ africa/103098terrorist-indict.html
30 October 1998	New York Times Archive on U.S. Offensive Against Terrorism	http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/ africa/index-us-attack-terror.html
30 October 1998	New York Times Archive on Embassy Bombings	http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/ africa/index-east-africa-bomb.html
26 October 1998	Wadih el Hage Docket, October 16, 1998	http://jya.com/weh101698.htm
25 October 1998	New Indictment of El Hage, Abdullah Mohammed, Odeh and Al-'Owhali, October 7, 1998	http://jya.com/usa-v-hage+3.htm
2 October 1998	Mamdouh Mahmud Salim Docket October 2, 1998	http://jya.com/mms100298.htm
2 October 1998	Mohamed Sadeek Odeh and Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali Docket, October 1, 1998	http://jya.com/mso-mra100198.htm
2 October 1998	Wadih el Hage Docket, October 1, 1998	http://jya.com/weh100198.htm
29 September 1998	Odeh and Al-'Owhali Indictment, September 28, 1998	http://jya.com/usa-v-mso-mra.htm
29 September 1998	News: Odeh and Al-'Owhali Indicted, September 29, 1998	http://cnn.com/US/9809/29/bombings. africa.ap/index.html
28 September 1998	Wadih el Hage Dockets, September 26, 1998	http://jya.com/weh092698.htm
24 September 1998	Wadih el Hage News, September 24, 1998	http://jya.com/weh092498.htm
24 September 1998	Al Qaeda News, September 24, 1998	http://jya.com/alq092498.htm
24 September 1998	The New York Times: U.S. Offensive Against Terrorism, September 24, 1998	http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/ africa/index-us-attack-terror.html Note: See latest New York Times stories at this site
24 September 1998	Wadih el Hage Dockets, September 23, 1998	http://jya.com/weh092398.htm
24 September 1998	Mohamed Sadeek Odeh Docket, September 23, 1998	http://jya.com/mso092398.htm
24 September 1998	Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali Docket, September 23, 1998	http://jya.com/mra092398.htm
22 September 1998	USA v. Wadih el Hage Indictment, September 22, 1998	http://jya.com/usa-v-elhage.htm
22 September 1998	Wadih el Hage News, September 22, 1998	http://jya.com/weh092298.htm
21 September 1998	USA Complaints Against El Hage, Fazil and Odeh, September 21, 1998	http://jya.com/usa-v-qaeda.htm
20 September 1998	Haroun Fazil Docket, September 18, 1998	http://jya.com/hf091898.htm
20 September 1998	Haroun Fazil and Wadih el Hage News, September 18, 1998	http://jya.com/fazil-el-hage.htm
17 September 1998	FBI Press Release on Haroun Fazil, September 17, 1998	http://www.fbi.gov/fo/nyfo/9171998.htm
28 August 1998	FBI Press Release on Mohamed Sadeek Odeh, August 28, 1998	http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/odeh.htm
27 August 1998	FBI Press Release on Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali, August 25, 1998	http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/africaco.htm
25 August 1998	Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali Complaint, August 25, 1998	http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/rashed.pdf

Can't get these links to work!

U.S. Offensive Against Terrorism

To Bomb Sudan Plant, or Not: A Year Later, Debates Rankle
By JAMES RISEN
(October 27) A re-examination of President Clinton's decision last year to strike a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan shows that it was far more difficult than the administration has acknowledged and that the voices of dissent were numerous.

U.S. Case Against bin Laden in Embasy Blasts Seems to Rest on Ideas
In their war against bin Laden, American officials portray him as the world's most dangerous terrorist. But reporters for The New York Times and the PBS program "Frontline," working in cooperation, have found him to be less a commander of terrorists than an inspiration for them.

Timeline

August 21

U.S. Cruise Missiles Strike Sudan and Afghan Targets Tied to Terrorist Network
Dozens of U.S. cruise missiles struck targets in Afghanistan and the Sudan on Thursday in what President Clinton described as an act of self-defense against imminent terrorist plots and of retribution for the bombings of U.S. embassies in East Africa two weeks ago.

August 24

Battle With U.S. Has Begun for Islamic Tactician
Hassan al-Turabi, the man who is the driving force of the Islamic regime that gave Osama bin Laden refuge in the Sudan for two years, said he believed bin Laden would try to retaliate against the United States.

Afghan Camps Stymied Soviet Attacks for Years
Throughout the 1980s, the Soviet Union threw almost every weapon it had, short of nuclear bombs, at the Afghan camps attacked by the United States last week. But neither carpet bombing nor commandos drove the Afghan holy warriors from the mountains.

August 25

U.S. Says Iraq Aided Production of Chemical Weapons in Sudan
The United States believed that senior Iraqi scientists were helping to produce elements of the nerve agent VX at a factory in Khartoum that American cruise missiles destroyed.

Egyptians Hold Terrorist Chief, Official Asserts
Possible Benign Use Is Seen for Chemical at Factory in Sudan
Two New Suspects Linked by U.S. to Terror Case

September 21

Decision to Strike Factory in Sudan Based Partly on Surmise
Within days of the attack, some of the administration's explanations for destroying the factory in Sudan proved inaccurate. Many people inside and outside the U.S. government began to ask whether questionable intelligence had prompted the United States to blow up the wrong building.

October 19

C.I.A. Said to Have Rejected Bombing Suspect's Bid to Be a Spy
A former sergeant in the U.S. Army who is now being held in connection with the terrorist campaign of Osama bin Laden was rejected in the 1980s when he offered himself to the CIA as a spy, officials said Friday.

December
Germany Sends Embassy Terror Suspect to U.S.
Report Calls for Closing of Vulnerable Embassies

MAP
• Sudan and Afghanistan

PHOTO ESSAY
•U.S. Strikes in Afghanistan and Sudan

DIAGRAM
•The Tomahawk Missile

VIDEO
•President Clinton's National Address
•Pentagon Press Conference

AUDIO
•President Clinton's National Address
•Gen. Hugh Shelton, Joint Chiefs Chairman

RELATED ISSUES IN DEPTH
•Embassy Bombings in East Africa

THE ATTACK
•U.S. Attacks Based on Strong Evidence Against Bin Laden Group
•Attack Aimed 70 Missiles at Targets 2,500 Miles Apart

ANALYSIS
•Before Bombings, Omens and Fears
•In the War Against Terrorism, Any Attack Has Pros and Cons
•U.S.-Sudanese Tensions Finally Erupt Into Open Warfare
•U.S. Sees Bin Laden as Ringleader of Terrorist Network

FORUM
•Join a discussion on the U.S. Military Strike in Afghanistan

WEB SITES
• U.S. Navy: The Tomahawk Cruise Missile

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August 25, 1998

U.S. Says Iraq Aided Production of Chemical Weapons in Sudan

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This article was reported by WILLIAM J. BROAD, BARBARA CROSSETTE, JUDITH MILLER and STEVEN LEE MYERS and written by MYERS

ASHINGTON -- The United States believed that senior Iraqi scientists were helping to produce elements of the nerve agent VX at a factory in Khartoum that American cruise missiles destroyed last week, administration and intelligence officials said on Monday.
The evidence the administration has cited as justification for the attack consisted of a soil sample secretly obtained months ago outside the pharmaceutical factory, the Shifa Pharmaceutical Industries, the officials said. Officially the administration has refused to describe its evidence in any detail, or to say how it was obtained.
The sample contained a rare chemical that would require two more complex steps to be turned into VX, one of the deadliest nerve agents in existence, and the chemical, whose acronym is EMPTA, has no industrial uses. The United Nations and the United States have long agreed that Iraq is extremely skilled at many kinds of VX production, having worked for years to perfect the best process.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said there was evidence that senior Iraqi scientists had aided the efforts to make VX at that factory, and at another plant a couple of miles away.
The connection with Iraq emerged as a key part of the administration's argument for why it was justified in launching cruise missiles at a plant in another country without any warning.
The officials disclosed the information, four days after the American strike, to try to counter claims by the Sudanese government that the factory, located in an industrial area of Khartoum, was purely a benign commercial venture that produced half of the Sudan's medicines.
The United States, however, rebuffed calls from the Sudan and other countries to turn over its evidence. At the United Nations, the Security Council on Monday put off a request by Arab nations -- submitted by one of the United States' closest Arab allies, Kuwait -- to send inspectors to search the rubble in Khartoum for signs of chemicals related to VX.
"I don't see what the purpose of a fact-finding study would be," Peter Burleigh, the deputy American representative to the United Nations, said after the meeting. "We have credible information that fully justifies the strike we made on that one facility in Khartoum."
At a news conference in Khartoum, the Sudanese president, Omar Hassan el-Bashir, kept up his sharp attacks on the United States and President Clinton, saying Clinton ordered the attack to cover up the furor over his relationship with Monica Lewinsky.
Clinton and his senior aides have described the evidence linking the factory to the production of VX as compelling and even irrefutable, though until Monday the administration refused to discuss the evidence in any but the most general way.
The officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said the soil sample, collected outside the factory, contained traces of a "precursor chemical" called ethyl methylphosphonothionate, or EMPTA. There would be no viable explanation for the presence of that chemical, they said, other than the production of VX.
"You don't obtain this chemical because you're making ball point pens or whatever," an administration official said. "If you're making this, you're making VX."
VX is an odorless, colorless liquid that can kill with remarkable speed. A mere drop on the skin or inhaled in the lungs is enough to kill an adult within minutes. There are a number of ways to make the agent, but the officials in Washington and other American and foreign officials said the technique using EMPTA is one Iraq used to develop its own VX stockpiles in the 1980s.
Officials in Washington and at the United Nations said there were a number of other factors linking Iraq to the pharmaceutical plant, as well as a second facility.
Earlier this year, President Saddam Hussein's government asked the committee that monitors U.N. sanctions to allow it to buy medicines from the factory under the "oil for food" program that allows humanitarian supplies into Iraq.
Antonio Monteiro, Portugal's representative to the United Nations who is this month's president of the sanctions committee, confirmed the request, but the officials said it was not clear what medicines were ordered or whether any were ever delivered.
Although the United Nations closely monitors goods purchased under the "oil for food" program, the officials said the contract could have provided a pretext for extensive visits by Iraqi officials.
A senior intelligence official said that one of the leaders of Iraq's chemical weapons program, Emad al-Ani, had close ties with senior Sudanese officials at the factory. The official said a number of Iraqi scientists working for Emad al-Ani had attended the grand opening of the factory two years ago.
Although the United States struck at the Shifa plant, officials in Washington acknowledged that the second plant is also suspected of making chemical weapons. That site, according to diplomats in New York and the Sudan, has been frequently visited by Iraqi technicians and was more heavily guarded than Shifa Pharmaceutical.
However, it also in a residential neighborhood, and officials familiar with planning for the American cruise missile strikes said the fear of collateral damage was a factor in choosing a target. A strike at a plant that made VX itself, not merely a precursor to it, would pose significant risks of scattering a deadly nerve agent during an attack.

Although the administration offered details about its evidence, there were still unanswered questions. The soil sample, which presumably measured either a spill or airborne particulars, did not prove that the attacked factory was the pharmaceutical plant that produced the precursor chemical, EMPTA.
"It's conceivable they were only storing EMPTA there, or it was just passing through there," the senior intelligence official said. "You could spin several scenarios."
While the administration maintains the evidence of VX production is clear, the links between the factory and Osama bin Laden, the Saudi exile whose network of terrorists was the target of last week's strike, is circuitous.
Bin Laden controls a sprawling web of companies underwritten by a fortune said to exceed $200 million, including ventures in the Sudan, where he made a home after his expulsion from Saudi Arabia in 1994 until he was forced to leave in 1996.
The officials said bin Laden has no direct investment in the pharmaceutical plant, but has financial ties to Sudan's state-run military industrial complex. They said that fact and bin Laden's suspected interest in obtaining chemical weapons was enough to warrant destroying the factory, along with a paramilitary training camp in Afghanistan.
"When you put all that together," the senior intelligence official said of the factory, "it all adds up to a source of real concern."
As administration officials laid out their case, new details emerged of the strike itself. A senior Pentagon official said on Monday that the cruise missiles that landed in Afghanistan heavily damaged or destroyed virtually every "soft" target at the sprawling mountain training camp, including barracks, communications equipment and arms stockpiles.
However, the United States did not bother striking fortified bunkers in the area, since Tomahawk cruise missiles, despite a 1,000-pound payload and remarkable accuracy, would not have destroyed them.
Officials at the Pentagon also confirmed on Monday that the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joseph Ralston, traveled to Pakistan before the strikes so he could be with Pakistani military leaders at the time of the attack. The reason for the visit, which was first reported on Monday in The Wall Street Journal, was to reassure Pakistan that the barrage of incoming missiles was not an attack by its archenemy, India.

Found the above items from here:

N. Y. Times articles from 1998

Can't get these links to work!

The links at jya are to John Young Architects and are no longer active, probably was disrupting the system.

The ones to the NY Times are working . See post immediately above.

And following.

Embassy Bombings in East Africa

U.S. Case Against bin Laden in Embasy Blasts Seems to Rest on Ideas
In their war against Osama bin Laden, American officials portray him as the world's most dangerous terrorist. But reporters for The New York Times and the PBS program "Frontline," working in cooperation, have found him to be less a commander of terrorists than an inspiration for them.

Timeline

August 8

Two U.S. Embassies in East Africa Bombed
(August 8) Two massive bombs exploded minutes apart outside the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania late Friday morning, killing at least 80 people, eight of them American, in what U.S. officials said were coordinated terrorist attacks.
• Bombing Toll Rises as Rescue Effort in Nairobi Intensifies

August 26

Experts Starting Search for Clues in Kenya Bombing
(August 10) American intelligence officers and law-enforcement personnel from around the world streamed into Nairobi Sunday to search for clues in the terrorist bombing that killed at least 190 people and wounded nearly 5,000.

August 15

Kenya Still Reeling From Embassy Bombing
(August 15) Like shock waves, the impact of the embassy bombing has spread from downtown Nairobi across the nation. At least 247 Kenyans died in the blast -- 20 for every American killed -- and each death diminished the lives of a large circle.

August 16

In Embassy Bombings, Link Emerges to Rich Saudi
(August 16) Federal law-enforcement officials said Saturday that they had obtained information tentatively linking an associate of Osama bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born businessman who has vowed to wage a holy war against the United States, to the bombing of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

August 19

Pakistan Arrests Two New Suspects in Embassy Blasts
(August 19) ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Pakistani authorities arrested two additional suspects in the bombings of the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, senior Pakistani officials said Tuesday.
• U.S. Pressing Afghanistan to Expel Bombing Suspect
• Video: U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in Tanzania

September 18

Two New Suspects Linked by U.S. to Terror Case
Federal authorities charged on Thursday that the bombing of the U.S. embassy in Kenya last month was orchestrated by an Islamic extremist from the island nation of Comoros who reported directly to Osama bin Laden, the Saudi exile who is now the focus of the world-wide inquiry.

RELATED WEB SPECIAL
• U.S. Offensive Against Terrorism

MAP
• Nairobi, Kenya and
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania

PHOTO ESSAY
• Destruction in Nairobi

VIDEO
• Scene Outside Embassy in Nairobi
• Bodies of Americans Killed in Blasts Begin Journey to U.S.

FORUM
• Join a Discussion on The Terrorist Bombings in East Africa

WEB SITES
• U.S. Embassy in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania
• The Bureau of African Affairs from the U.S. State Department
• Background Information on Terrorist Groups from the U.S. State Department
• Africa News Service -- East Africa

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Embassy Bombings in East Africa

U.S. Case Against bin Laden in Embasy Blasts Seems to Rest on Ideas
In their war against Osama bin Laden, American officials portray him as the world's most dangerous terrorist. But reporters for The New York Times and the PBS program "Frontline," working in cooperation, have found him to be less a commander of terrorists than an inspiration for them.

Timeline

August 8

Two U.S. Embassies in East Africa Bombed
(August 8) Two massive bombs exploded minutes apart outside the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania late Friday morning, killing at least 80 people, eight of them American, in what U.S. officials said were coordinated terrorist attacks.
• Bombing Toll Rises as Rescue Effort in Nairobi Intensifies

August 26

Experts Starting Search for Clues in Kenya Bombing
(August 10) American intelligence officers and law-enforcement personnel from around the world streamed into Nairobi Sunday to search for clues in the terrorist bombing that killed at least 190 people and wounded nearly 5,000.

August 15

Kenya Still Reeling From Embassy Bombing
(August 15) Like shock waves, the impact of the embassy bombing has spread from downtown Nairobi across the nation. At least 247 Kenyans died in the blast -- 20 for every American killed -- and each death diminished the lives of a large circle.

August 16

In Embassy Bombings, Link Emerges to Rich Saudi
(August 16) Federal law-enforcement officials said Saturday that they had obtained information tentatively linking an associate of Osama bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born businessman who has vowed to wage a holy war against the United States, to the bombing of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

August 19

Pakistan Arrests Two New Suspects in Embassy Blasts
(August 19) ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Pakistani authorities arrested two additional suspects in the bombings of the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, senior Pakistani officials said Tuesday.
• U.S. Pressing Afghanistan to Expel Bombing Suspect
• Video: U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in Tanzania

September 18

Two New Suspects Linked by U.S. to Terror Case
Federal authorities charged on Thursday that the bombing of the U.S. embassy in Kenya last month was orchestrated by an Islamic extremist from the island nation of Comoros who reported directly to Osama bin Laden, the Saudi exile who is now the focus of the world-wide inquiry.

RELATED WEB SPECIAL
• U.S. Offensive Against Terrorism

MAP
• Nairobi, Kenya and
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania

PHOTO ESSAY
• Destruction in Nairobi

VIDEO
• Scene Outside Embassy in Nairobi
• Bodies of Americans Killed in Blasts Begin Journey to U.S.

FORUM
• Join a Discussion on The Terrorist Bombings in East Africa

WEB SITES
• U.S. Embassy in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania
• The Bureau of African Affairs from the U.S. State Department
• Background Information on Terrorist Groups from the U.S. State Department
• Africa News Service -- East Africa

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Sorry about the double post , not sure how that happened.

you wrote:
Rush and the internet are NOT our saviors.

Who, in your opinion, will step up to combat the Hollywood elite and NY mediots you identify as the real problem?

The truth shall make you free-but don't ever again expect to hear the truth from our free press. The truth doesn't serve their agenda.

fyi

Updates.

Good job is posting those

Us, you and me. Its called activism. Talking, protesting, and little things like stealing Time and Newsweek from every waiting room you are in, and replacing them with Natl Review, American Ent, Weekly Standard, ect.

Talking to strangers in check-out lines, or anywhere you are, calling and writing constantly, planning stragegy, inserting one of us in every newsroom, college protests, ect.

Planning, planning and more planning.

That could be a SILVER BULLET against Kerry and his MEDIA supporters!!!

I was at my barber today. He had Foxnews on, and the news was the attrocity out of Saudi Arabia. He was upset, an ex Korean and Viet vet!!!

He ask me if I knew any7 international site on the Web where he could voice his opinion......

Conversation was really good !!!

He has some hair raising war stories.....

Okay, where to start?

You answer your own question...

"Why is everybody so insistent that the administration trumpet these truths. They are obviously "out there" or you wouldn't know about them."
"Finally, the "undecided" middle is, unfortunately, undecided because they just don't care. These are the type of people who don't follow polotics, don't read a newspaper, and rarely watch news programs on television. If it's a choice between a Presidential press conference and Who Wants to be a Millionaire, what program do you think they will want to watch?"

You're absolutely right...the mushy middle doesn't care. But does that mean the Pubbies should just write them off? Hell no, 'cause the 'Rats aren't. Bush needs to be loudly trumpeting his side of the story (which happens to be the truth in this case!) in a way the mushy middle will understand and accept. How can he do that? I don't know, but President Reagan sure found a way. The mushy middle voted for him...twice if I recall correctly.

"A lie is a lie no matter how many times it is repeated. By the same token, the truth is the truth, no matter how many times it is repeated. Those that support the administration already, don't need convincing. At the same time, no amount of "coverage" is going to convince the rabid left to change their minds."

It's not the left the Pubbies need to worry about, it's the mushy middle. They are now, as always, the deciding factor. They hear the Leftist lies repeated over and over again, and in our "perception is reality" society, it becomes the truth. Meanwhile, Bush lets the media and Hollyweird b*tch slap him around without countering with his side of the story (aka the truth), and we have the deciding segment of the electorate being manipulated by the CommieLib Left. You don't see a problem with this scenario?

Besides, what ever happened to fighting the good fight? Telling the truth just because it's the freakin' truth? The Pubbies have forgotten how to fight, and view politics as a chess game played at a gentlemens' club. News flash, bro...the 'Rats look at politics as guerrilla warfare, and the wimpy Pubbies are too dense to see it. Sometimes one has to fight just for principle's sake. You know..."principle". If you've forgotten what that means, like the rest of the Pubbie Party, look it up in Webster's.

"Do you honestly think the administration can win a battle with the hostile press by calling a PRESS conference?"

President Reagan sure did. Seems to me, Bush should've picked more advisors from the Reagan Administration instead of the failed administration of his father.

"Instead of wasting your time complaining about what the administration is not doing, maybe you should devote that time to doing some grassroots convincing on your own."

Well ah'll be, Vern...that never did occur to me. Y' mean ah kin actually git folk ta change their minds by talkin' to 'em? Wheee, dawgies! /sarcasm off. I talk 'til I'm blue in the face, and have actually had some success over the years in convincing folks of the inherent wisdom of conservatism.

"If you really feel you have a personal stake in the outcome of the upcoming election, then do something constructive instead of wasting your time here "preaching to the choir".

Two things:
1) we all have a personal stake in the outcome of this election. Unfortunately, I'm screwed one way or the other, because the way I see it is we have the choice of incremental Socialism or full bore, pedal to the metal Socialism. We have a choice between Coke and Pepsi. I'm voting for iced tea this time, by the name of Tom Tancredo, and
2) how do you figure I'm preaching to the choir? FReep has become a haven for Kool-Aid drinking Bushbots, yeller dawg Pubbies that see no sin if it has an "R" after it. Sorry, I'm no longer a member of the Church of the Wimpy, Spineless Pubbie. Boortz's Church of the Painful Truth is more to my liking.

Also, how do you figure I'm "wasting" my time? I love this stuff. I love kicking a**, even if it's only online.

"/rant off"

Mine's not. I never shut it off. I just punch the "mute" button when I go to work or have company over.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

BTTT