Men seek to establish Tuscarora nation in N.C.

Durham Herald-Sun [Durham, N.C.] ^ | June 17, 2004 | The Associated Press

[Constitution Day]

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[2banana]

They plan to add permanent buildings, such as a cookhouse and sweat lodge, and would also like to build houses on the land.

An, of course, the ancient casino buildings...

[mattdono]

LOL! Beat me to it.

[Constitution Day]

Ping.

This town is about 8-10 miles from my office.
I have mixed feelings on this, as my grandfather Baker is descended from some of the Tuscarora who remained here in eastern NC rather than going to NY state.

Does this mean I can open a casino one day? (smile)

CD

[Constitution Day]

Heh! You read my mind!

[muawiyah]

History says the Tuscarora found the neighborhood too tough so they traded all of their land and rights to Daniel Boone and Company, and relocated to Iriquois Confederation lands organized by the Onandaga and Oneida. They became the 6th nation.

Not sure if the neighborhood has improved all that much to be moving back. These guys would be better off getting together with that bunch of Mohawks in Canada who want to remove the "blood quantum" for a one-time-only thing, then reorganize with the oldest customs.

This would include eliminating some of the laws established by Deganawidah and his disciple Hiawatha and allow for the return of that all important ceremonial cannibalism.

[Chad Fairbanks]

This would include eliminating some of the laws established by Deganawidah and his disciple Hiawatha and allow for the return of that all important ceremonial cannibalism.

As a Haudenosaunee, and a "Mohawk" in particular, I'd respectfully request that you post proof of this allegation, or retract...

[bert]

A note from Tennessee about the Lumbee Tribe.....

This week an ethnic group known as the Mullengeons are gathering here to discuss their heritage. There is a lot written about them in recent times, including the fact that they fled literally to the Tennessee hills and mountains to escape persecution in North Carolina.

Their precise origin is a mystery, but many have AmerIndian blood and some of it is thought to be Lumbee blood. there is some thought that the Mullengeons are remnents of very early European visitors, including Portugeese and English survivors of failed colonies...... including the "Lost Colony"

If the foundation of a nation is successful in Wilson County and a casino is opened...... expect homecoming migrants from East Tennessee and Southwest Virginia.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Thanks for the ping. Personally, I think they are S.O.L. Their people moved to New York and from what I understand gave up to any claims in N.C.

Too bad so sad.

[Constitution Day]

Here's a timeline that some may find interesting:

A brief timeline of events:

• Sept 1711, Chief Hancock captures John Lawson, Baron Christoph von Graffenried, leader of the Wiss and Germon colonists at New Bern; and a black servant. Lawson was executed.
• Sept 22, 1711 - Chief Hancock kills 120 colonists, took others captive, burned houses, and seized crops and livestock in Bath County.
• White settlers retaliated
• Jan , 1712 - Col. John Barnwell (S.C. company) capture Ft. Narhantes after bitter battle
• Peace conference ends in tragedy as Col Barnwell's troops kill 50 Tuscarora men and seize over 200 women and children as slaves.
• Chief Tom Blunt is promised control over his own tribe if he will assist the Colonists.
• Chief Blunt captures Chief Hancock and the colonists execute Hancock
• March 21, 1713 - Col James Moore (S.C. troops) attack Ft. Neoheroka killing or capturing ove 900 Tuscarora. Survivors forced into reservation in Hyde County
  Excavation of Ft. Neoheroka
• 1717 - Bertie Co. Indian Woods Reservation given to Chief Tom Blunt.
• 1717 - Many Tuscarora Indians left North Carolina to join the Five (Iroquois) Nations in New York.
• 1748 - Survey further restricts and defines the reservation
• Historical Letters
  • G. Washington - 1756
  • R. Dinwiddie - 1756
  • PA Gazette - 1757
• 1760 - More Tuscarora chose to move to New York.
• 1766 - Lease and subsequent land deals show 18,000 acres but in actuality over 58,000 acres, leave the Tuscarora only 2,196 acres
• 1803 - Last of Tuscarora depart for New York. Remaining descendants blended into the population
• 1831 - Deed written in Niagara County, N.Y. (7 chiefs) gave up their rights to the land in Bertie County.
• 1917 - Tuscarora Chiefs from New York visit Bertie at the end of the 150 year lease

[Overtaxed]

So...they think they're going to get a lot of Southern Baptists to gamble?

[Chad Fairbanks]

Like I said: "S.O.L."

[Constitution Day]

Their people moved to New York and from what I understand gave up to any claims in N.C.

I don't know all the history (see timeline above), but that what I thought before I read it.

[Chad Fairbanks]

The group would like to eventually open businesses, he said, but not necessarily offer gaming.

[Constitution Day]

So...they think they're going to get a lot of Southern Baptists to gamble?

Heh. I think you'll see a lottery here before any casinos.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Still waiting for you to provide me with some documented facts that back up your claims that some Mohawks want to bring back ceremonial cannibalism... tap... tap... tap...

[THE MODERATE]

This is all we need. I remember Timothy Jacobs and his little stunt. Back then he was a dedicated Lumbee. I have family in Roboson County they are probably glad he is gone.

[Rutabega]

Hi! I am planning on escaping the socialist hell commonly called Sweden in about three weeks (give me a minute to scream HOORAY!!!!!!) to go back to NC--I want to be on the list, and if anyone is in the Triad area, I'd love to know! I am hoping to see if I can volunteer a few hours a week for the GOP, or something to help out!

Ping list please!

[Overtaxed]

The group would like to eventually open businesses, he said, but not necessarily offer gaming.

They need a separate nation to do that?