Hmmmmm.... doesn't pass the smell test.
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Posted on 06/16/2004 8:56:16 PM PDT by Destro
U.S. promotes Islam in Iraq
Posted: June 15, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
President Bush says he wants to free Iraq, to liberate it from the oppression of totalitarianism, to create a new model for liberty in the Middle East.
But Christians are fleeing while they can because the new constitution makes Iraq an officially Islamic republic.
When the significant Christian community in Iraq failed to get even one seat on the executive council of the provisional government, the exodus began.
Christians also took as a cue the fact that they got only one ministry post in the new government – the Ministry of Emigration. Was that a hint? Apparently Christians in Iraq think so.
The churches are filled with Iraqis filling out baptismal forms required for the leaving the country.
One deacon told Insight:
On a recent night, the church had to spend more time on filling out baptismal forms needed for leaving the country than they did on the service. We have been flooded with parishioners desperate to leave the country, and as they cannot get an exit permit without a baptismal certificate from the church, we have been swamped with requests. ... In recent days, nearly 400 families, as far as we can tell, have filled out baptismal forms to leave the country. Our community is being decimated.
According to figures from the Saddam Hussein regime, there are about 2.5 million Assyrian Christians in Iraq, representing about 10 percent of the total population of the country.
There would be many more had the Assyrians not been systematically slaughtered in the last days of the Ottoman Empire. It is estimated that two-thirds of the population was wiped out in the early part of the 20th century. The Assyrians are not eager to see that kind of persecution again under Islamic rule.
"We thought the Americans were going to bring us freedom and democracy," one Christian told Insight. "Instead, they are promoting Islam. We do not understand it. ... We love the Americans! We are so grateful for them removing Saddam and giving us back our freedom. We do not want their effort to be a failure if the dictatorship of Saddam is replaced by the dictatorship of Islam."
He continued: "The American-funded TV station, Al Iraqia, broadcasts Muslim programs four times every day and for two hours each Friday, but nothing from the other religions. The recent inauguration of the new government was opened by a Muslim mullah reciting a long passage and a prayer from the Quran, but none of our priests were invited. Why do they do this? Why do the Americans promote Muslims? They need to promote equality and democracy and freedom, not Muslim dictatorship."
Already Iraqi Christians are seeing the first signs of harassment and intimidation by the Muslim majority.
"Our women are accosted on the street and intimidated to start dressing according to Islamic tradition, our businesses are being burned, and the constant harassment is because of the attitude of appeasement toward Muslims," said one priest.
Sharia law is the law of the land in the new Iraq. That means only Muslims are first-class citizens. We created a similar situation in Afghanistan, where the new constitution has been criticized by human-rights groups as a kind of "Taliban-lite."
Is it too much for the United States to demand that this Christian minority – and all other ethnic and religious minorities in Iraq – be protected and afforded full citizenship rights under the new government and constitution?
If so, was the sacrifice of American lives really worth it?
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Can you link your article of the same subject of a week ago?
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One thing about Sadaam... he may have been a freak totalitarian murderer, but he did not stand for Muslim persecution of Christians. He oppressed everyone, equally.
Ping.
Hmmmm....
Clinton fought against the Christian Serbs for the Muslims...
Bush now sets up a Islamic Republic -- putting Christians at peril....
Boy, we doing a lot of good...for Islam.
When will be wake up and see militant Islam as the ENEMY?
Semper Fi
Hmmmmm.... doesn't pass the smell test.
I think that has already happened; but it represents the opening of only ONE eye. When we decide to fully wake up and take our collective heads out of the sand, we will see that Islam itself is our enemy. "Whoever is not with me is really against me, and he who gathers not with me scattereth"; Our Lord's words, in Luke 23:11.
So I honestly don't see how we can continue our fight against Islamic militants if we fail to see the reason why we're fighting them in the first place. The dastardly events of 9/11 will only take the war effort so far, but a full realization that Islam is a perpetual menace to all Christians and non-Muslims will fuel the fight long enough to see the victory through. Islam is a restless, malevolent cult that has waged an unceaseless jihad against all "Infidels". We need a total, crushing victory, and nothing less.
The three stages a bushbot goes through after reading unpleasant truths about his president/god.
Stage 1: (Denial) Immediately attack the source of the news and blame media bias.
Stage 2: (Anger) When the news is confirmed through multiple sources he lashes out at anyone who is upset. After all "No matter how bad Bush is, Clinton\Gore\Kerry would be much much worse."
Stage 3: (Acceptance) The bushbot then figures a way to spin Bush's latest mistake as a positive development. The typical apologist usually sounds something like this "The president is such a brave an honorable man, I trust everything he's doing. Don't you worry, Its just part of his secret plan to destroy the terrorists/democrats and save America.
Your at stage 1 pal, but there are already multiple reports of this happening.
I think I will stick with Stage 1. 2 & 3 don't fit my style. Considering the non-stop, anti-Bush spin coming from the media, anyone who accepts anything the media says about Iraq, is falling for Demorat propaganda. In this case, the spin is of the typical sort. Take isolated incidents, and blow them up into Iraqi official policy. Also, the former won't sell papers, while the latter will, and has the added bonus of convincing voters that Iraq is a quagmire!
When Syria regime is overthrown, the Islamists will get to the power and Christians will have to flee. But why should it bother people in power? We do not live in the Age of Faith and the oil and pretense of democracy took place of God.
If Kerry wins, he will continue the same policy and he will bring Holbrook, Albright and Clark back. This crew is no more pro-Christian than neo-cons.
Hmmmmm.... doesn't pass the smell test.
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Similar things could be said of Christian nations not too long ago. Time will tell if a secular gov't can succeed in Iraq as it has in Turkey. I wish them the very best.
Representative mass democracy is a very recent and so far short-lived experiment created in Christian countries in the process of weakening of religion.
Historical experience shows that democracies/republics were exceptions and in most of cases not very stable ones. The most successful republics like Athens or Rome evolved into semi-authoritarian empires when they defeated their competition (Sparta or Carthage).
The most stable republics were those with confederate structure and weak central government. Examples are Switzerland and USA before Lincoln and Civil War.
The reason why people think that republic/democracy is the norm is that it is the system which prevails around them at this moment. If we lived in real monarchy, we would think that republics are deviation from the norm.
The imagination of most of people is limited and that is why they tend to think that the system in which they live is the only possible. If they knew that the number of possible political systems is almost unlimited they would be bewildered as they are when they witness a revolution.
**- That is not true for the Syrian Christians or even for the Iranian Christians (to some extent).
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I can write this from personal knowledge. We Americans are born and bred to hate monarchy. Granted, we earned our independence from the UK, and I can certainly understand our fervor for a purely republican system. But it is difficult for most Americans to consider this in an unemotional manner using pure logic. I know this was true for me until surprisingly recently.
1. Turkey 1920s: massacre Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Orthodox Christian
2. Turkey 1976 massacre of Greek Orthodox 100,000 in Cyprus.
3. Egypt (with US monies of tunes of $3 billion/year) ousts 15% of population (Coptic Christians).
4. Arafat murders 100,000 Catholic Lebanese, ousts 400,000 more...US come to save him from Israel.
5. Sudan...still nothing said even some trade while it butcher all the Orthodox Christian in the south.
6. Eritria...US/West allie, butcher Ethiopian Orthodox Christian.
7. West support Islamics in Bosnia.
8. West support Islamics in Yugoslavia (KLA) and Makedonia.
9. West support Chechyns.
10. Not one word when Saudi Arabia exile all christians and jews.
11. Note a word while Indonesia look the other way of jihdi flotilla island hopping.
12. Nothing said of Christian murders in central asia.
13. Afghanistan then created as official Islamic Republic
14. Tells Israel all the time to stand still while being bombed.
And now this....West will get its share of death for its own continous idiocy, stupidity and intellectual laziness and arrogance...instead of supporting Christians on the edge of Islam, it does everything to give them up to Islam and then thinks it will be safe...stupidty. By the way, to the whole West...import more Muslims..you'll get it get sooner or later in the jihad geneocide.
When you watch your daughter and little sons in rape as a jihad stands on your head and cuts it with a knife.
So it was with the Romans. Roman Republic was born from the revolt against abusive king.
Now the key, subtle and tricky point to understand is that this anti-monarchical attitude was present in Rome LONG after Julius Caesar. Romans were CONVINCED long time after him that they are a free republic. They believed that Senate is the ruling body (it just happened that in the time of continuous war and emergencies it was patriotic and prudent to vote as the leader - "first among the equals" - suggested) and that claiming that empire is in contradition with republican liberties is deeply insulting, un-Roman and perhaps sedicious.
Only THREE HUNDRED YEARS LATER Dioclecian dared to proclaim to be sort of a king and when Roman state converted to Christianity the later anointed Christian monarch started to rule in a new capital - New Rome (Constantinople).
As Buchanan wisely pointed the choice is either Republic or the Empire. You cannot have both.
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