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Man get 50 years in prison for raping daughter who hung herself
AP Wire (direct feed) | June 16, 2004 | WILLIAM KATES

Posted on 06/16/2004 9:25:09 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer
Garvey said there is typically a time at sentencing when family members are allowed to speak on behalf of the victim. ``But there is no one from Valerie Lucie's family to be that child's voice. It is truly sad. An 11-year-old is dead and she doesn't have anybody from her family _ not her aunts or her uncles, or her grandparents, to say what a wonderful child she was, how she was loved and how she will be missed,'' Garvey said.

Sad truly sad.
21 posted on 06/16/2004 9:41:54 AM PDT by bad company (God speed Dutch)
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Moynihan said Lucie ``deeply misses'' his daughter, but prosecutors never gave him the chance to properly grieve because they immediately made him the subject of a criminal investigation.

Well, those prosecutors are meanie-heads! This man deserves some sympathy after all he's been through [/sarcasm]

22 posted on 06/16/2004 9:42:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: NYer

By the time he is released, sex with children will be constitutionally protected.


23 posted on 06/16/2004 9:42:18 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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Spado [jury foreman] said the jury was not allowed to consider Valerie's death as it deliberated the case.

Absurd.

24 posted on 06/16/2004 9:43:45 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: Kay
What was the evidence against him?

The article doesn't say, aside from a confession that was recanted (which I consider weak.)

Before anybody flames me, I'm NOT saying the guy is innocent. If there's conclusive DNA evidence, fry him. But I would like to know what the basis for the conviction is.

25 posted on 06/16/2004 9:44:40 AM PDT by murdoog (I changed my tagline back)
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To: wmichgrad

The evil in this world is so evident, yet the dems fail to recognize that evil exists.

What is surprising is that the article didn't mention any use of DNA evidence to prove his guilt. I would think that the DNA would be used as often as possible for proof of guilt.


26 posted on 06/16/2004 9:45:03 AM PDT by CSM (Liberals may see Saddam's mass graves in Iraq as half-full, but I prefer to see them as half-empty.)
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To: aBootes; NYer
Any chance he killed the kid just to cover up the rape?

Only if he is a complete idiot. Murdering the child could only bring attention to the rape. He had a much better chance of getting away with it if the child went on living.

Why did the mother testify in defense of the father? I'm assuming that the DNA was utterly conclusive... Amazing.

That’s a good question. Was there any physical evidence? The article does not mention any.

27 posted on 06/16/2004 9:45:57 AM PDT by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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for his conviction for first-degree rape and first-degree sodomy charges ...
...his four younger sons
[His wife] testified in her husband's defense

Somebody ought to do some serious questioning of those sons. Pedophiles are not known to confine themselves to one victim.

28 posted on 06/16/2004 9:47:21 AM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: murdoog

I'm not sure we have all the facts... tragic if true...really a heart breaker!


29 posted on 06/16/2004 9:47:34 AM PDT by Right_Rev (Read the book...)
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"...the cause of Valerie’s death has been the source of some controversy. Said to have been suicide, the medical examiner left the manner of death characterized as "undetermined" on her death certificate. Several outside medical experts believe the death was more likely homicide."

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30 posted on 06/16/2004 9:47:35 AM PDT by MarMema (Up, up, up, there's nowhere to go from here but up.)
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Absurd in a common sense absurd way, but if they were not bringing the man up on charges related to her death, than the jury can't consider it. The judge would have instructed them on that point at length. Of course, the jury members aren't idiots, either. They know the girl is dead (otherwise, she would likely have been at the trial). So they no doubt did take that into account -- quietly -- as they deliberated.


31 posted on 06/16/2004 9:48:09 AM PDT by laurav
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Put him in general pop and count the days 'till real justice is done.


32 posted on 06/16/2004 9:48:37 AM PDT by Feckless
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Unbelievable. That poor little girl. Rape is such a devastating thing to anyone, but especially a young child. And the so-called "consent" that some give is only a step away.


33 posted on 06/16/2004 9:50:04 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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but prosecutors never gave him the chance to properly grieve

This should retire the 'Chutzpah' trophy.

34 posted on 06/16/2004 9:50:06 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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Funny, the article doesn't mention DNA evidence. All they mention is that he confessed after six hours of questioning, with the possibility that the police used questionable tactics.

Maybe his wife defended him because he's innocent? I don't know the guy, and maybe he's guilty as sin. But when children are involved, emotions run high, and miscarriages of justice have come about. Maybe a prosecutor found out about the suicide, thought something about the father seemed a little sleazy, and told the police to find out what needed to be found out.

This article has a lot of emotions and grief but is short on evidence of guilt. If I was on that jury, I would have voted to acquit if all they had was a confession that was:

1. Acquired by means of lying to the guy that they were going to take his whole family away.
2. Acquired after six hours of questioning, which would make a lot of us start saying things we didn't want to say.
3. Immediately recanted.

Maybe they had more, and the article doesn't say.


35 posted on 06/16/2004 9:50:08 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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In NOBLER times, that guy would've been taken out back and shot like a rabid dog. Sickening.


36 posted on 06/16/2004 9:50:14 AM PDT by BSunday (RWR - America is a better place because of you.)
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I can't believe the mother is actually defending this scum of a husband.
I have an aunt in Phoenix who used to work in social services with abused children, and interviewing the family was part of her job. In her experience, virtually all the mothers support their husbands, who have some indominatable hold over them.
37 posted on 06/16/2004 9:50:52 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Kay; aBootes; murdoog; CSM; Pontiac
Lucie was accused of sexually assaulting his daughter, Valerie, in the shower at their Syracuse home Sept. 30. Hours later her 8-year-old brother found her hanging from her bedpost by a dog collar and leash in what police said was an apparent suicide.

It looks like a regrettable omission from the article that the DNA evidence wasn't mentioned. The post-mortem would certainly have brought forth conclusive evidence to bring charges and a conviction.

38 posted on 06/16/2004 9:51:47 AM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: laurav

Oh, I know it is correct in a legal sense, but frustrating in the "it's obvious that the rape caused her to kill herself" sense. Actually, I'd bet that the rape was just the last assault in a years-long series of assaults against her by the father. Most kids don't up and kill themselves after a singular event. Poor thing.


39 posted on 06/16/2004 9:52:14 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: murdoog

The article does leave several obvious questions unaddressed


40 posted on 06/16/2004 9:53:09 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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