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To: Your Nightmare

If the sales tax is an excise tax and the states collect the sales tax or the Sales Tax Bureau collects it in states that don't, what exactly is the Excise Tax Bureau collecting?

An excise on the use or consumption of taxable properties and service as defined in HR25, collected at from the purchaser at point of retail purchase by vendor or on entry into the country by customs if purchased outside the United States.

 

SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX.

  • `(a) IN GENERAL- There is hereby imposed a tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services.

 

A LAW DICTIONARY
by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

EXCISES.
This word is used to signify an inland imposition, paid sometimes upon the consumption of the commodity, and frequently upon the retail sale.

http://dictionary.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/search.pl?co=dictionary.lp.findlaw.com&exact=1&excise#excise

excise
['ek-'siz, -'sis]

1: a tax levied on the manufacture, sale, or consumption of a commodity
(compare income tax property tax)

2: any of various taxes on privileges often assessed in the form of a license or other fee
(see also Article I of the Constitution in the back matter)
(compare direct tax)

 

That is how it will be administered, and how the courts will render it's effect, as an excise levied and collected under:

Constitution for the United States of America:

 

It is always nice to see the opponents of legislation or a law reduced to arguing narrow definitions because they have no substantive points to support their view.

TP'r : One who's legal argument has the substance of used toilette paper, arguing over what "the meaning of the word is, is".


288 posted on 06/23/2004 5:35:55 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: ancient_geezer
An excise on the use or consumption of taxable properties and service as defined in HR25, collected at from the purchaser at point of retail purchase by vendor or on entry into the country by customs if purchased outside the United States.
No, the states and/or the Sales Tax Bureau is collecting the "tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services" "collected from the purchaser at point of retail purchase by vendor." So that still leaves the question: What is the Excise Tax Bureau collecting?

And you posted the same definitions of excise but seem to be ignoring the word "commodity" in them. As I posted before, a commodity is "a class of economic goods." So your two definitions are:
EXCISES. This word is used to signify an inland imposition, paid sometimes upon the consumption of the [class of economic goods], and frequently upon the retail sale.
and:
a tax levied on the manufacture, sale, or consumption of a [class of economic goods]




And as I mentioned before, your quote from the Constitution is irrelevant. If the government can collect an excise is not the question. The question is "is the sales tax an excise tax." It is not.



It is always nice to see the opponents of legislation or a law reduced to arguing narrow definitions because they have no substantive points to support their view.
Please, you are the one who brought up "excise taxes" in post #264. I guess because you had "no substantive points to support your view."
289 posted on 06/23/2004 6:53:36 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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