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6.15.04 | Mia T

[Mia T]

Are you saying that you would prefer a Pres. Kerry to a VP Giuliani?

And even if it means losing the war on terror?

These are lethally dangerous times. We must look beyond our own tidy little worldview. We must put aside the provincial. Winning this apocalyptic war is all that matters now.

[Mia T]

We can't make rudy AG if we lose.

[Mia T]

bump

[Russ]

In this case I believe the vice-presidential candidate would make a difference. If Gulliani would be on the ticket it would immediately put New York in play for the Republicans. Kerry would have to spend millions to win a state he can now call safe. The same can be said for New Jersey. There is no dishonor in changing running mates. As a Republican I want to see the strongest ticket we can get to defeat the left. I believe(again, my opinion)that a Bush/Gulliani ticket would be a slam dunk. It would also help elect more Republicans to the senate thereby increasing our majority.

[tkathy]

Guiliani is the Rep's only hope in 2008. There is absolutely no one who stands a chance. Hanging onto Cheney would be future disaster for the reps.

[Mia T]

bump

[Mudboy Slim]

"It just represents my opinion (hopefully, wrong) that a Bush/Guliani ticket would be stronger than Bush/Cheney."

That's more like it...an opinion you can rightfully defend. I disagree that Bush/Cheney is a 3:1 dog against Kerry/whoever, though. If I was to pull a number outta MY butt, I'd say there's an 80% chance of us winning with our present ticket. Kerry's simply an implosion waiting to happen!!

FReegards...MUD

[Miss Marple]

In my opinion, this is a non-productive idea. First of all, President Bush is loyal, and is not going to dump Cheney.

Secondly, any advantage you imagine by having Guiliani on the ticket would be negated by people who would be antagonized and would not vote, including pro-life people and other conservatives who like Cheney.

Third, the changing of the ticket would cause demoralization, as it would be seen as a move made due to panic. Negative press would ensue, and we would have to hear about Guiliani's divorce all over again. His ex-wife would take to the television and radio with all sorts of gossip.

This is not a practical idea, and I want to win as much as you do. This won't do it, however.

[Mudboy Slim]

Sure, but we mustn't panic and make changes simply fer the sake of making changes. Dubyuh's standing with many cultural conservatives is already a bit shaky...jettisoning Cheney fer a pro-choice divorcee may negatively impact the turnout from his base.

FReegards...MUD

[donozark]

To me, Second Amendment issues are not merely my personal "tidy little world view." Nor are they "provencial."

Having been on FR for nearly 9 years, I can't think of anything I have ever said that would lead you/anyone to believe I would prefer a "Pres. Kerry." HA!

There are others, equally qualified to be VP that are not openly, rapid, gun-grabbers. Perhaps Giuliani has changed (re:Second Amendment) since 9-11? Not aware of same, if he has...

[Mia T]

regarding your points:

I discussed the first, Bush's personal loyalty, above. It is my view that Bush must rethink this; the moral imperative here is the greater, collective loyalty to the Constitution.

I referenced the second point when I stated that conservatives must look beyond the provincial in these lethally dangerous times. Will conservatives really consign their children's fate to a Pres. Kerry?

Third point: I suspect that changing the ticket would energize at least as many as it would demoralize.

[Mia T]

I didn't mean it as condescending to the pro-gun lobby or any other group. We-ALL OF US--have our tidy little wants and worldviews. My point is that winning this war on terror trumps every one of them.

(I'll wager that 9/11 caused Giuliani to rethink his view on the 2nd amendment, in any case.)

[firewalk]

Good morning Mia
thanks for the ping

[Mia T]

I agree with you about style. The need for New York street-fighter style was, in fact, the impetus for this post.

[Mia T]

you're welcome and good morning to you :)

[MeekOneGOP]

Bump !

[bmwcyle]

bttt

[Mudboy Slim]

Yep...Cheney's a good man and an excellent VEEP!! Let's not discard a winning ticket!!

FReegards...MUD

[Mia T]

a hypothetical question for you, Mud:

If it could be shown that Russ' numbers are predictive to a certainty, would you favor the switch?

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

CORRECTION:
personal loyalty

Look, Cheney is fine. Guliani is probably a plus for the ticket, and definitely becomes the front runner for '08. (Another Rudi-Hillary match up would be fun to contemplate.)