Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: I still care

Gutless. This settles nothing. In my opinion, they just couldn't rule because they didn't want to look like fools, yet to be consistent with past rulings, they would have had to rule "Under God" unconsitutional. This was the chicken way out.


8 posted on 06/14/2004 7:29:24 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

The presedent with the court is to first find if the issue is properly before them.

If it is not, throw it out.

It would cause problems down the road on other cases if they did not follow their normal procedures.


16 posted on 06/14/2004 7:33:46 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Not gutless, the court must consider whether issue is ripe or the parties have standing in order to proceed with analyzing the merits of the case. (This would also have been true of the 9th circuit, but they were in one of their typical militant races to the Supreme Court).

Many of us recognized this issue when it first arose at the state level. I wish I could find my previous posts on it.


27 posted on 06/14/2004 7:37:42 AM PDT by Boatlawyer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Get ahold of yourself. (figuratively speaking, of course)

The Court's Decision was exactly the right one. The plaintiff was not the custodial parent. He lacked standing to bring the action and federal courts, being courts of limited jurisdiction, may only rule where there is an actual case or controversy.

This is a victory for a limited judiciary.

29 posted on 06/14/2004 7:37:53 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; joanie-f; FBD; scholar
"Gutless. This settles nothing. In my opinion, they just couldn't rule because they didn't want to look like fools, yet to be consistent with past rulings, they would have had to rule 'Under God' unconsitutional. This was the chicken way out."

That's exactly what the pack of robed, cowardly SOBs did again, too.

The a-hole will be back to get those two words removed as sure as God made little green apples.

Only next time, there'll be no "technicalities".

...for the USSC to use in obfuscating their lawful responsibily.

36 posted on 06/14/2004 7:44:30 AM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
The scary thing is that they dismissed the case rather than ruling on its merits. That meant that there was likely a four-four split (Scallia having recused himself for a dreadfully foolish comment he made on the case before getting it in the Court). If the Court had deadlocked, everyone covered by the 9th Circuit would still be banned from saying the pledge in school. WE dodged the bullet here but our liberty won't be safe until we take the gun away from the Court.
49 posted on 06/14/2004 7:51:01 AM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Gutless. This settles nothing. In my opinion, they just couldn't rule because they didn't want to look like fools, yet to be consistent with past rulings, they would have had to rule "Under God" unconsitutional. This was the chicken way out.

No, the first question that the court always asks is whether the party bringing suit has the standing to do so. If the answer is no, the merits of the case become wholly irrelevant.

65 posted on 06/14/2004 8:04:30 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

They're not supposed to have guts. They're paid to make sure the law is being executed properly, throwing a case out because the plaintiff has no legal standing to bring suit was the right thing to do from day one.


66 posted on 06/14/2004 8:06:34 AM PDT by discostu (Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I agree with you. Someone else should bring a test case and see how they rule.


111 posted on 06/14/2004 10:02:10 AM PDT by ladylib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Gutless. This settles nothing. In my opinion, they just couldn't rule because they didn't want to look like fools, yet to be consistent with past rulings, they would have had to rule "Under God" unconsitutional. This was the chicken way out.

Absolutely accurate analysis. Same reason we haven't had a 2A ruling for many years.

121 posted on 06/14/2004 10:57:07 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (If you can't increase your power, duck the issue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
"Gutless"... This was the chicken way out."

With all due respect this is what SCOTUS had to do - and what the 9th Circus (sic) should have done too, because there wasn't a case to begin with.

As Newdow wasn't the legal guardian of his child, he didn't have legal standing. Ergo the whole suit was faulty from the beginning. And IIRC that's why he lost originally in the lower court. But he knew if he appealed to the mopes on the 9th Circus, they'd ignore the law and rule in his favor.

Again SCOTUS didn't duck anything or chicken out because there wasn't a legal case for them to rule on.

This ruling also means that Newdow is done, finished, kaput on the matter of the pledge and his daughter, period. He cannot re-file. This is not like he forgot to dot an "i".

That being said, look for him to file a suit over "In God We Trust" being on our money as there he does have a standing. And IIRC he has threatened to do just that if he lost this case.

142 posted on 06/14/2004 12:26:59 PM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson