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To: fatidic

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.

LUMEN GENTIUM
Nevertheless, the religiosity of Muslims deserves respect. It is impossible not to admire, for example, their fidelity to prayer. The image of believers in Allah who, without caring about time or place, fall to their knees and immerse themselves in prayer remains a model for all those who invoke the true God, in particular for those Christians who, having deserted their magnificent cathedrals, pray only a little or not at all.
"Crossing the Threshold of Hope" by Pope John Paul II

Gee. There's the President and there's visible head of the Christian Church, and then there's you.

40 posted on 06/16/2004 7:10:35 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad; E Rocc
"...there's visible head of the Christian Church..."

WHAT???

The Pope is the Head of the Catholic Church.

Sorry Bud, I don't need an intercessor to talk to God, and I don't need the Pope PERIOD, to be a christian.

The Pope is NOT my head of anything, and he doesn't speak for anyone other than Catholics.

As for Muslims religiousity, they pray towards Saudi Arabia, not towards God, and that in itself speaks volumes about their "faith".

And as to muslims religiousity? After their prayers they run out in the streets and yell "Death to Americans! Death to Isreal!"

44 posted on 06/16/2004 8:16:52 AM PDT by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: Cultural Jihad; E Rocc; Snerfling
FROM THE KORAN ITSELF... ("HEIL HITLER" Now Upgraded to "ALLAH AKBAR?")

- "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends." - [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

Here are but a few passages in the Qu'ran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause. - Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels:
(unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101).

-Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them.

-They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90).

-"Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193).

"Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3). Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Sahih Al-Bukhari (Sura- 9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- ( the unbeliever)"Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire." (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33) - "Know that paradise is under the shades of swords." - Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And as for treatment of women:

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
- Koran, Surah IV: 34, "The Women."

ISLAM- The Religion of BIGOTRY, MISOGENY, AND HATRED; and the words of their "Prophet" Muhammed, who in fact killed hundreds of people by beheading them, confirms it.

45 posted on 06/16/2004 8:39:27 AM PDT by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Christians and Muslims do not worship the same god. The God of the Bible has a totally different nature and relationship with His creation than Allah's. The two gods are diametrically opposed to the aims of the other. Though Muslims claim to worship the same god as Christians and claim to revere the same prophets, this, too, is patently impossible because the Koran's version of these prophets has nothing in common with the Bible's version except their names.

I feel sorry when I see a Muslim slave pray to a demonic god knowing that all they believe is a monstrous lie and the fruits of their faith produces more a culture of hate, fear, cruelty and bondage of the human spirit.
49 posted on 06/16/2004 11:32:00 AM PDT by fatidic (fatidic : of or relating to prophecy)
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