Posted on 06/13/2004 6:09:20 PM PDT by ejdrapes
Did you not see this portion or the article? "A string of leaked government memos over the past few days has revealed that President George W Bush was advised by Justice Department officials and the White House lawyer, Alberto Gonzalez, that Geneva Conventions on torture did not apply to "unlawful combatants", captured during the war on terror."
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
I looked at the photo of the crowd behind Mr. Berg just before they chopped off his head and it sure looked like they all had sacks on their heads.
I suspect Arabs are not at all distressed with the sack deal.
BTW, the way to torture a "postie" is to cut off his dope. See Richard Cohen for a character reference on that one.
Oh yes, I am sure they all know exactly what happened. And besides, if this is true, SO FREAKING WHAT? These are terrorists people, and if making them talk in the necessary ways saved lives, who cares? Good grief we have gone mad in this country.
You state the President may lose his job over this? Why? What on earth is the matter with people in this country?
the media is trying to morph all of these stories - going back to the Gitmo prisoners, even the AQ captures like KSM and Subayda, into one big "torture everywhere and violation of the Geneva convention" story - and tie it all to Abu Ghraib. they know that the sheeple are too dumb to sort all of this out.
Yes, and I don't expect that anyone will question the motives of those who seem more bent on protecting terrorists and beating Bush than on protecting Americans and other members of the civilized world.
Oh yeah, ejdrapes. I can see the indictment now.
Conspiracy to put underwear on a terrorist's head.
Or how 'bout this: Unlawful legal discussion of how to prevent another 9/11-type terror attack on US interests.
Or maybe: Accessory to practicing humiliation by forcing a terrorist prison to stand in the nude.
Or maybe cruelty to animals due to knowledge that snarling guard dogs were forced to be in the same vicinity as slimy soldier-killers.
C'MON. Why are you even posting this type of crap, unless you are really a liberal mole and are trying to demoralize Freepers.
It won't work. Even if they find a videotape of GWB saying "let's get rough on these terrorists", I believe the majority of good decent patriots in this country would say Good For HIm.
And if they were Democratic confidential memos, the story would be how these memos were stolen and no mention of what was in them....
well, its worth posting because it outlines what the media strategy will be.
so far, the WH hasn't been too good at making the blunt points you listed. and we have idiots like Lindsey Graham running around representing "our side" on all the talk shows saying that everything he sees is "torture".
This is just more stupidity within the press, although enough people will not read closey what the article says and come to the same conclusions you did (no insult intended).
Read closely, and you will see it never mentions anything about the sexual abuse, and possible physical abuse, that got those soldiers and their immediate commanders in trouble.
This mentions sleep deprivation and uncomfortable positions, etc. These technqes have been allowed by international law forever. We have never used them for POWs, but these men are NOT POWs by both US and International/Geneva COnvention definations.
Lots of to do about nothing new, but headlines and 2 minute broadcasts will make it look like these leaked memos really men something.
On a related topic, I saw a heard a report the other day that said the prisoner abuse story is now the second most reported event in the New York Times' history (for the same number of days since it broke); only 9/11 beats it out. Wow, that means, acoording to the NYTs, it is a more important issue than the Civil War, WWI, the Depression, Pearl Harbor, WWII, Nuclear Bombs, the Fall of the Berlin Wall and the breakup of the Soviet Union. More important the Kenndy's assassination, Vietnam, Nixon's Resignation, Man on the Moon, the Automobile, Flight, the discovery of the Cure for Polio...I think you get the point.
Amazing. Absolutely amazing.
Good grief...makes one fear for the future of this county.
These interrogation techniques are legal by international law. These prisoners were not POWs by internationa standards. In contrast, the techniques used at the prison were not legal, but of course that is very cleaverly not what this article is saying...yet most Americans will not notice that this leaked memo does not actually say that...just insinuates it.
Yep. That is why hoepfully the LTs through 1 star in charge there will be punished, along with the soldiers and NCOs.
A bad unit. NOT a bad Army, nor bad leadership at the White House.
For weeks now (this spin--I speak of what I'm about to outline, not the Abu Ghraib revelations, which happened well before, started when my daughter was still in school and the last day was May 20) the media and liberals have attempted to mix apples and oranges.
There was a rogue group at Abu Ghraib. In no way, shape or form did the administration condone or approve or authorize that behavior.
That business is being mixed up with other unrelated (and unapproved) actions where there may have been misbehavior or outright criminal behavior by a guard or two, and combined with memos authorizing certain interrogation techniques, and being served up as a soup of deceit saying "the administration approved prison abuse".
They certainly did not and it will not cost the president his job. That is absurd and the crime would be if that were to happen through such abetting of the outrageous presentation being made here by the media.
It would be nice if Freepers could get it straight and worked on decrying this attempt to bring down a good and decent man (or whoever in his administration they can manage) instead of handwringing or implicitly approving of such.
Yes, trust the government.
indeed. the media knows the sheeple cannot differentiate the prisoners at Gitmo, the AQ prisoners being held who knows where, the iraqi prisoners, and the pictures from Abu Ghraid that the media has described to everyone as showing "torture", from each other.
Why? Do you have evidence that they lie? I'd be interested in seeing the evidence of untruths from the Red Cross. Traditionally, it's been seen as a honorable humanitarian organization - - - I even have Red Cross lifesaving certificates!
Thank you for mentioning Gitmo. I happened to see Rita Cosby, of all people, yesterday on Fox. Seems she went there last week and inspected the facilities.
She was shocked--Shocked at how well the detainees are being treated and the amenities they are given.
I expect she'll be showing more of the footage I saw and discussing this more in detail soon.
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