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To: Arkinsaw

Did you not see this portion or the article? "A string of leaked government memos over the past few days has revealed that President George W Bush was advised by Justice Department officials and the White House lawyer, Alberto Gonzalez, that Geneva Conventions on torture did not apply to "unlawful combatants", captured during the war on terror."


41 posted on 06/13/2004 7:02:08 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberalism corrupts. Absolute Liberalism corrupts absolutely.)
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To: elhombrelibre

the media is trying to morph all of these stories - going back to the Gitmo prisoners, even the AQ captures like KSM and Subayda, into one big "torture everywhere and violation of the Geneva convention" story - and tie it all to Abu Ghraib. they know that the sheeple are too dumb to sort all of this out.


45 posted on 06/13/2004 7:05:01 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: elhombrelibre; Arkinsaw
Relax.

The only new "news" here is that some U.S. network (SeeBS?) has gotten their hands on confidential Red Cross memos that allegedly contradict "previous testimony by senior Pentagon officials who have claimed that the abuse in the Abu Ghraib prison was an isolated incident." We'll see. The one Red Cross report that has been leaked to the press through the Wall Street Journal (likely by the Bush Administration) wasn't that much of a bombshell and has long since been forgotten. In fact, I think it got fairly little play in the media because it was mainly positive.

All of the allegedly "bombshell" memos that have been discussed in the media so far were written in response to how to treat prisoners at Gitmo, where the Geneva Conventions did not apply, before the Iraq war, not Abu Ghraib or Iraq. And, IIRC, the memo required command authority before the most coercive techniques were imposed at Gitmo. I keep on repeating this every time the Slimes reports something about Gitmo: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY ABUSE AT GITMO RISING TO THE SAME LEVEL AS THE ISOLATED INCIDENTS AT ABU GHRAIB.

The Slimes and their cohorts are trying to claim that "lawlessness" at Gitmo was imported to Iraq with General Miller when he reviewed interrogation techniques in Iraq. BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS LAWLESSNESS AT GITMO. Even one of the witnesses in the Taguba Report, a seemingly well-meaning Dean-supporting former army intelligence officer who served with the Utah National Guard at Gitmo and a private contractor in Abu Ghraib said so. That dog don't hunt.

This article is flawed in other ways. Scott Horton, their main (Kerry-supporting) lawyer source, was NEVER president of the New York State Bar Association. The Washington Post printed a retraction when they once claimed that he was even chairman of a committee of the New York State Bar Association. He merely headed the committee on international human rights of the Association of the Bar of the City of New York --- i.e. he is a liberal Kerry supporter. The article refers to an ongoing military investigation --- what the Slimes and its cohorts were complaining weren't being taken, as a 'damage-limitation exercise"

As I have said from the beginning of this "scandal", President Bush might better be served by doing a document dump and getting it over with. Otherwise, the Slimes, See-BS and their liberal cohorts will just drip-drip-drip out what they have until election day.
51 posted on 06/13/2004 7:31:09 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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