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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Ten
Yahoo News ^ | 6-10-04 | AP

Posted on 06/10/2004 2:28:29 PM PDT by JustPiper

Picture credit: TheCabal

"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat"

LINK TO THREAD NINE

U.S. Charges Australian Linked to al-Qaida

WASHINGTON - An Australian held at the Navy's prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, will face a military tribunal for allegedly training and fighting alongside members of al-Qaida in Afghanistan (news - web sites), the Pentagon (news - web sites) announced Thursday.

We are the "Stotters" who make ourselves aware of the enemy who wishes to do us harm


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an update on the bound-bodies saga:

PLEASANT PRAIRIE, Wis. (AP) — A father and two sons whose bound bodies washed up on the shore of Lake Michigan drowned in an apparent double murder and suicide, a deputy medical examiner said Monday.

The bodies were bound together with rope and tied to bags filled with sand when a resident spotted them on a beach Saturday. None of the three showed any physical
Rick Berg, citing preliminary autopsy findings.

Kevin L. Amde, 45, and his sons, Tesla E. Amde, 3, and Davinci Amde, 6, were last seen May 6, when the father and younger son picked up the older boy from his school in Chicago, Police Chief Brian Wagner said. Veronica Amde, Kevin Amde’s wife and the children’s mother, reported them missing May 11.

Wagner said the bodies were tied together with nylon rope. Also tied to the bodies were two nylon book bags, each containing personal belongings, and two plastic bags filled with sand.

The pockets of one child were also filled with sand, Wagner said.

The children’s deaths were ruled homicides. Authorities plan further toxicology tests on the father, as well as an
investigation, before making a determination on how he died, Berg said.

Investigators have said the amount of time the three were believed to be in the water was consistent with how long they had been missing. Where and how they entered the water remains under investigation.

“At this point, the question of where these folks went into the water remains unanswered,” Wagner said. “We may never have the answer to that.”

Amde’s family was having trouble paying rent for their Chicago apartment and a judge ruled earlier this month they could be evicted.


3,221 posted on 06/21/2004 4:47:57 PM PDT by JellyJam
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To: NothingMan

planes, trains, and automobiles . . .

From "Unrestricted Warfare" (1999)

"However, a new concept of weapons is different. This and what people call new-concept weapons are two entirely different things. While it may be said that new-concept weapons are weapons which transcend the domain of traditional weapons, which can be controlled and manipulated at a technical level, and which are capable of inflicting material or psychological casualties on an enemy, in the face of the new concept of weapons, such weapons are still weapons in a narrow sense.

This is because the new concept of weapons is a view of weapons in the broad sense, which views as weapons all means which transcend the military realm but which can still be used in combat operations. In its eyes, everything that can benefit mankind can also harm him. This is to say that there is nothing in the world today that cannot become a weapon, and this requires that our understanding of weapons must have an awareness that breaks through all boundaries. With technological developments being in the process of striving to increase the types of weapons, a breakthrough in our thinking can open up the domain of the weapons kingdom at one stroke.

As we see it, a single man-made stock-market crash, a single computer virus invasion, or a single rumor or scandal that results in a fluctuation in the enemy country's exchange rates or exposes the leaders of an enemy country on the Internet, all can be included in the ranks of new-concept weapons. A new concept of weapons provides direction for new-concept weapons, while the new-concept weapons give fixed forms to the new concept of weapons. With regard to the flood of new-concept weapons, technology is no longer the main factor, and the true underlying factor is a new concept regarding weapons.

What must be made clear is that the new concept of weapons is in the process of creating weapons that are closely linked to the lives of the common people. Let us assume that the first thing we say is: The appearance of new-concept weapons will definitely elevate future warfare to a level which is hard for the common people -- or even military men -- to imagine. Then the second thing we have to say should be: The new concept of weapons will cause ordinary people and military men alike to be greatly astonished at the fact that commonplace things that are close to them can also become weapons with which to engage in war. We believe that some morning people will awake to discover with surprise that quite a few gentle and kind things have begun to have offensive and lethal characteristics. . ."


3,222 posted on 06/21/2004 5:21:51 PM PDT by NothingMan
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To: NothingMan

Very interesting. I was under the impression the term was used more recently by China. You set me straight now. . .


3,223 posted on 06/21/2004 5:27:23 PM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways)
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To: Quix; Velveeta; mindspy
THANKFULLY,

there are many more wonderful Chinese food dishes than that to eat. LOL.

*gentle cough* Chop Suey isn't Chinese, it's American, dates back to the California Gold Rush days...

3,224 posted on 06/21/2004 5:45:58 PM PDT by null and void ( Clinton: the first psychobabble presidency.)
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To: NothingMan

another gem . . .

From "Unrestricted Warfare" (1999)

"More murderous than hackers--and more of a threat in the real world--are the non-state organizations, whose very mention causes the Western world to shake in its boots. These organizations, which all have a certain military flavor to a greater or lesser degree, are generally driven by some extreme creed or cause, such as: the Islamic organizations pursuing a holy war; the Caucasian militias in the U.S.; the Japanese Aum Shinrikyo cult; and, most recently, terrorist groups like Osama bin Ladin's, which blew up the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

The various and sundry monstrous and virtually insane destructive acts by these kinds of groups are undoubtedly more likely to be the new breeding ground for contemporary wars than is the behavior of the lone ranger hacker. Moreover, when a nation state or national armed force, (which adheres to certain rules and will only use limited force to obtain a limited goal), faces off with one of these types of organizations, (which never observe any rules and which are not afraid to fight an unlimited war using unlimited means), it will often prove very difficult for the nation state or national armed force to gain the upper hand. . ."


3,225 posted on 06/21/2004 5:50:26 PM PDT by NothingMan
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To: JellyJam

How sad.


3,226 posted on 06/21/2004 5:56:28 PM PDT by knak
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To: null and void

THATS what I thought I'd faintly remembered.

But, as I recall, it was Chinese inventiveness in California of that era.


3,227 posted on 06/21/2004 6:04:46 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: null and void

LOL, leave it to you.

Chamomile tea for the gentle cough. ;-)


3,228 posted on 06/21/2004 6:21:20 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: JustPiper

A wise plan. :)


3,229 posted on 06/21/2004 6:23:42 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: NothingMan

the key to maximizing terror . . .

From "Unrestricted Warfare" (1999)

"New Terror War in Contrast to Traditional Terror War:

Due to the limited scale of a traditional terror war, its casualties might well be fewer than the casualties resulting from a conventional war or campaign. Nevertheless, a traditional terror war carries a stronger flavor of violence. Moreover, in terms of its operations, a traditional terror war is never bound by any of the traditional rules of the society at large.

From a military standpoint, then, the traditional terror war is characterized by the use of limited resources to fight an unlimited war. This characteristic invariably puts national forces in an extremely unfavorable position even before war breaks out, since national forces must always conduct themselves according to certain rules and therefore are only able to use their unlimited resources to fight a limited war.

This explains how a terrorist organization made up of just a few inexperienced members who are still wet behind the ears can nevertheless give a mighty country like the U.S. headaches, and also why "using a sledgehammer to kill an ant" often proves ineffective. The most recent proof is the case of the two explosions that occurred simultaneously at the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.

The advent of bin Ladin-style terrorism has deepened the impression that a national force, no matter how powerful, will find it difficult to gain the upper hand in a game that has no rules. Even if a country turns itself into a terrorist element, as the Americans are now in the process of doing, it will not necessarily be able to achieve success. . .

Be that as it may, if all terrorists confined their operations simply to the traditional approach of bombings, kidnappings, assassinations, and plane hijackings, this would represent less than the maximum degree of terror. What really strikes terror into people's hearts is the rendezvous of terrorists with various types of new, high technologies that possibly will evolve into new superweapons."


3,230 posted on 06/21/2004 6:34:11 PM PDT by NothingMan
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To: WestCoastGal

www.albawaba.com
June 21, 2004
German doctor decides to delay president Mubarak operation

Doctors treating Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak on Monday delayed plans for an operation, Egyptian media reported.
The operation, to repair a slipped vertebral disc, was scheduled to take place in Munich, Germany.

But the official MENA news agency quoted a German doctor as saying they would wait for two or three days to see if other treatment could be helpful.

An announcement that Mubarak, 76, would undergo surgery follows official denials that he was in poor health.

According to MENA, the German doctor said: "I believe that we need to give a chance for two or three days before surgical intervention, because medical treatment could be useful in President Mubarak's condition." (Albawaba.com)

http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=279404&lang=e&dir=news


3,231 posted on 06/21/2004 6:36:18 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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To: Honestly
Don't they have competent Dr's in Egypt?? This whole story has me wondering. That reverts back to my old tag line. "hire paranoids etc. Rumsfeld!!
3,232 posted on 06/21/2004 6:39:10 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (NASCAR >>>>>>>>>>>How Bad Have You Got It??)
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To: All

China links Taiwan pro-independence forces to terrorism, Falungong

BEIJING (AFP) - Pro-independence forces in Taiwan might launch terrorist attacks on the mainland, Chinese state media charged as it linked them to the banned "evil cult" Falungong.

In what appeared to be a new campaign to blacken the name of Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian, the leading China Daily newspaper ran an opinion piece headlined "Terrorism part of Taiwan separatist agenda".

Citing military experts and researchers on Taiwan studies, it said terrorism could be used "in an attempt to split the island from China".

It also condemned the United States "for instigating Taipei to engage in terrorism to hurt China's core national interests".

The article was published a day after a Taiwan parliamentary group left for the United States to look into planned billion-dollar weapons purchases. This week Taiwan tested two US-made Patriot missiles.


Excerpted - click for full article ^

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/china_taiwan_us

As an astute FReeper noted, the war of words is heating up.


3,233 posted on 06/21/2004 6:43:29 PM PDT by liberallyconservative
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To: NothingMan

(Paraphrasing)

Attack your opponent "like a storm" with a combination of measures. For instance, decapitate or disrupt the executive, legislative, and military leadership, target financial nodes, induce mass terror and hysteria, launch concurrent computer network attacks (Code Red and NIMDA), launch a biological attack (anthrax in the postal system). . . and most imporant, synchronize the attacks . . .

Last excerpt follows:

"This then is our real hand of cards . . ."

From "Unrestricted Warfare" (1999)

"The game has already changed, and what we need to continue is ascertaining a new type of fighting method within various uncertainties. It should not be that type of single prescription for treating the symptoms and not the disease, but rather a hybrid type of learning widely from the strong points of others and gathering advantages so as to allow a pear tree to bear both peaches and apples. This then is combination. We had actually shown this card already above.

What we have still not spoken of is another term: addition.

Addition is the method of combination.

In a boxing arena, a person who from start to finish uses only one type of boxing method to fight with an opponent is naturally not one who can combine straight punches, jabs, swings and hooks to attack his opponent like a storm. The principle of this can be said to be extremely simple: one plus one is greater than one.

The problem is that such a simple principle which even a preschooler can understand has been surprisingly unclear to many persons responsible for the success and failure of the security and warfare of nations. These people can excuse themselves saying they are using the method of combination boxing to attack opponents. They have never forgotten the addition of technology with technology, tactics with tactics, weapons with weapons, and measures with measures. Moreover, they can also contemptuously come to conclusions and combinations which cannot be considered to be anything new. This has been done from Alexander to Napoleon and even up to Schwartzkopf. They do not know that their ability to understand or not understand combinations is not the key to the problem. What is truly important is whether or not one understands what goes with what to implement combinations and how to combine.

Lastly, but certainly not the most important point, is whether or not one has thought of combining the battlefield and non-battlefield, warfare and non-warfare, military and non-military which is more specifically combining stealth aircraft and cruise missiles with network killers, combining nuclear deterrence, financial wars and terrorist attacks, or simply combining Schwartzkopf + Soros + Xiaomolisi [transliteraton 1420 5459 6849 2448] + bin Laden.

This then is our real hand of cards.

Whether it is combination or addition, both are but empty frames. Only when blood or cruelty are added in is the situation able to become severe and begin to be shocking."



3,234 posted on 06/21/2004 6:45:33 PM PDT by NothingMan
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To: All; StillProud2BeFree; Cindy

Wreck scrambles eggs


Trucker treated, released after interstate accident


SILVERTHORNE - Colorado State Patrol (CSP) troopers have added eggs to the long list of strange items that have spilled onto the interstate following wrecks.

Trooper Lloyd Smith said Mohammed Ali of St. Paul, Minn., was driving his tractor-trailer west on Interstate 70 when his truck's brakes failed.

He tried to drive onto the shoulder of the highway, but the vehicle became bogged down in sand and tipped onto its side, Smith said.

Ali was carrying 40,000 pounds of eggs from Iowa to California. (snip)

(snip)Ali was ticketed for careless driving, Smith said, adding that during a search of his vehicle, troopers found a ticket he'd been issued in Oklahoma.

They later learned he'd recently been involved in a crash in Phoenix, Ariz., as well.(snip)

http://www.summitdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040621/NEWS/106210005&rs=2


3,235 posted on 06/21/2004 6:47:33 PM PDT by Velveeta
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9/11 panel: New evidence on Iraq-Al-Qaida
UPI ^ | June 20, 2004 | Shaun Waterman


Posted on 06/20/2004 10:29:56 PM CDT by FairOpinion


WASHINGTON, June 20 (UPI) -- The commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks has received new information indicating that a senior officer in an elite unit of the security services of deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein may have been a member of al-Qaida involved in the planning of the suicide hijackings, panel members said Sunday.

John F. Lehman, a Reagan-era GOP defense official told NBC's "Meet the Press" that documents captured in Iraq "indicate that there is at least one officer of Saddam's Fedayeen, a lieutenant colonel, who was a very prominent member of al Qaida."

Lehman said that commission staff members continued to work on the issue and experts cautioned that the connection might be nothing more than coincidence.


Excerpted - click for full article ^

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157117/posts

Wow... but don't they know that every single liberal media outlet (along with most if not all of the dems) have already declared there was NO connection?


3,236 posted on 06/21/2004 6:48:30 PM PDT by liberallyconservative
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9 Pakistani N-scientists might be in N Korea
Dailytimes, Pakistan ^


SEOUL: Missing Pakistani nuclear scientists may be staying in North Korea helping develop its uranium-based nuclear weapons programme, reports said on Sunday.

Yonhap news agency, citing a report from the state-run Korea Institute for National Unification (KINU) in Seoul, said North Korea might have achieved a higher level of technology for enriched uranium with the help of foreign scientists.


“Nine Pakistani nuclear scientists have been missing since they left their country six years ago and we cannot rule out the possibility that some of them are in North Korea,” KINU researcher Jeon Sung-Hun was quoted as saying.

North Korea’s highly enriched uranium programme was at an early stage in its development, he said. “However, we should be prepared to find that North Korea has received a level of technology and cooperation from Pakistan, Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belarus which surpasses general expectations,” he added.

The nuclear standoff on the Korean peninsula flared in October 2002 when Washington accused North Korea of running a secret nuclear programme based on enriched uranium.

North Korea has acknowledged having a plutonium programme but denies that it is enriching uranium to make nuclear fuel. It has rejected US demands for a complete dismantling of its nuclear programmes without receiving rewards first.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_21-6-2004_pg7_8


3,237 posted on 06/21/2004 6:57:14 PM PDT by liberallyconservative
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To: Velveeta

Mohammed Ali, Hmmm... maybe we should run some tests on those eggs?


3,238 posted on 06/21/2004 7:01:23 PM PDT by TBall
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Terror Cell Leader Trained in Saudi Arabia

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - The man most likely to take over leadership of al-Qaida in Saudi Arabia reportedly trained with the Saudi military and worked as a prison guard before joining Muslim militants in Afghanistan (news - web sites).


While set back by the death of previous leader Abdulaziz al-Moqrin, mastermind of the kidnapping and beheading of American engineer Paul M. Johnson Jr., al-Qaida remains able to strike at the Saudi government because of men such as Saleh Mohammed al-Aoofi. According to Saudi newspapers and several terror analysts Monday, al-Aoofi is a logical choice to replace al-Moqrin.


Saud Musaibeeh, a public relations official at the Interior Ministry, refused to comment on the possibility al-Qaida had a new leader in the kingdom.


Al-Aoofi is fifth on the Saudi government list of most-wanted terrorists. Two of those above him on the list, including No. 1 al-Moqrin, are dead. A third, Rakan Mohsin Mohammed al-Saikhan, was believed wounded and arrested in the shootout with Saudi security forces in which al-Moqrin was killed Friday, hours after his cell announced it had killed Johnson. The fourth, Kareem Altohami al-Mojati, may not be considered the right man to lead a Saudi cell because he is Moroccan.


According to reports in Saudi papers closely linked to the government, al-Aoofi, believed to be in his late 30s, received military training in Riyadh before joining the kingdom's prison guard unit. He worked as a guard in the prison in Medina, near his hometown, before he was fired in 1992, apparently for misconduct.


A Saudi expert, speaking on condition of anonymity, said al-Aoofi's military training and his reputation for devotion to al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) made him a particularly good candidate to take over from al-Moqrin.


Evan Kohlmann, a Washington-based expert on terrorism, said al-Aoofi would know the tactics and personnel of Saudi security forces. Kohlmann noted that al-Qaida claims to have infiltrated the security forces and said that while Saudi officials reject that, al-Aoofi's background is evidence it is possible.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=10&u=/ap/20040621/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_terrorism


3,239 posted on 06/21/2004 7:05:13 PM PDT by liberallyconservative
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To: WestCoastGal

I agree that this whole Mubarak situation smells funny. First he cancels the G8 visit, then he canceled two more appointments last week amid rumors of his demise. Maybe time will tell what's really going on, but maybe not.

On another topic, I received an email today from a free newsletter. I wouldn't normally post this type of message here, but June 23rd is mentioned along with other previous subjects discussed on TM. The links in the email lead to the ECTV pay-for-view web site that I don't subscribe to. There is a live link about more dead dolphins, and a link at the end of the last paragraph that is really far-fetched.

For those who have an adversion to anything comet related, please scroll down. These are not my words and do not reflect my opinion, but there are many references to past TM discussions. Here is the text of the email I received:

What Can I Say, But My Anxiety is Just Too Damn High…06/21/04
by Mitch Battros (ECTV)

Folks, this is to be taken as a pure ‘editorial’. This is to say, I am simply sharing my feelings, hunches, and emotions and what I am about to lay out is more aligned with pure conjecture, not science. But every so often, I don’t know any other way to say something or to lay it out then to just do it. This is one of those times…..

First I shall address the unusual events in the sky. Meteor activity has been on the rise. As I take my personal pulse of the astronomical community, I sense not all is status quo. Everyone is being very careful not to fan the flames of recent announcements put out by what would appear to be a “hoaxer”. The one loudest in the arena right now is the person who goes by the name Aussie Bloke. Beginning in early May, this person who appears to be an imposter has announced himself as a legitimate astro-physicist. He has been claiming a “Dust Cloud” coming in from the South Pole will harbor three deadly asteroids. Two of which are know, but the third is ‘unknown’, I guess except to him.

It has also been mentioned that several smaller meteors will accompany such dust cloud as a forbearer to coming events. It is at this time, the so-called Aussie Bloke rolls into religious overtures riddled with ‘end of the world’ scenarios. So why would I even be righting about this???? Because there are strings of truth riddled throughout this whole damn thing, and which drives me crazy. It would have been so much easier and less labor intensive on my part to have just written this whole fairy tale off along with all the other rag hoaxes which riddle the internet. But nooooo, this one has too many strings of truth which in some ways pisses me off because I have to work twice as hard to feather this whole thing out. Uhggggggg

Be that as it may. Here are some facts to consider. There is in fact a “Dust Cloud” coming our way. It is know as the June Bootid Meteor Shower. The source of this dust cloud is Comet Pons-Winnecke. The Earth is set to enter this cloud on June 23rd. JUNE BOOTID METEORS: Earth is heading for a cloud of dust shed by Comet Pons-Winnecke in the 19th century. An encounter with the cloud might produce a pleasing meteor shower before sunrise on Wednesday, June 23rd. Or not. Forecasters aren't sure. If a shower materializes, sky watchers in western North America are favored to see it.

Comet 7P/Pons-Winnecke, which orbits the Sun once every 6.37 years. The comet follows an elliptical path that carries it from a point near the orbit of Earth to just beyond the orbit of Jupiter. Pons-Winnecke last visited the inner solar system in 2002, laying down a new trail of dust and gas. Earth isn't due to hit material shed in 2002 for many, many years, but older dust trails from the 19th century are drifting across Earth's orbit. These could be responsible for the outburst observed in 1998 and a possible new surge of meteors in 2004.

Meteor forecasters (Sergey Shanov and Sergey Dubrovsky and others) say the best chance for activity this year occurs near 1100 UT on June 23rd when Earth glides by a cluster of dust trails shed by 7P/Pons-Winnecke in 1819, 1825, 1830 and 1836. No one knows how many meteors to expect. Based on the distance to the dust trails, the 2004 June Bootids probably won't be as intense as the 1998 shower.

The only way to know is to look. The timing of the shower (1100 UT = 4 a.m. PDT) favors observers in western North America. If you live there, step outside before dawn on Wednesday, June 23rd, and look generally north. The shower's radiant is located near the handle of the Big Dipper.

If you don't live in western North America, be alert for June Bootids anyway. This shower is historically unpredictable, and it could become active at unexpected times. The radiant is visible as soon as the sun sets on June 22nd, and remains so all night long.

Unfortunately, and yes I use the word unfortunately because it means I have that much more work to do to feather this whole thing out. Again, uhgggggggggg. Okay, so lets get started.

1) A “house sized” meteor is reported to have hit somewhere in Australia, as reported on June 17th. However, no one can confirm this event because it has never been found.

2) The day before on June 16th, the Navy reveals for the first time, an enormous war games exercise currently under operation on the East Coast. People have been warned by the DoD that GPS, cell phones, and other electronic equipment will not work from June 11th to June 20th. The exercise was revealed to ECTV through our investigation the operation is known as “Northern Edge”.

3) On June 13th a report tell of 27,000 American white pelicans have abandoned their summer nesting grounds at a national wildlife refuge north of here. The question is why - and where they went. "It's like they packed up and left in the middle of the night - except they didn't pack up, they just left," said Ken Torkelson, a spokesman for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Bismarck. Left behind were thousands of eggs, which are unlikely to hatch, officials say.

4) Also June 13th a meteorite has crashed through the roof of a house in Auckland, New Zealand, much to the surprise of the home's owners. Scientists were skeptical about the report but have now confirmed the 1.3 kilogram rock has fallen from space. It is only the ninth meteor to land in New Zealand. Its rarity makes it valuable to collectors as well as scientists.

5) June 12th a “swarm of quakes” hits Yellowstone Super-Volcano. This occurred as a cause – effect event to a 7.2 quake which hit the Kamchatka Peninsula just across the Bearing Sea from Alaska.

6) Now I have this brand new article dated June 21st which tells us of More than a hundred dolphins, eight marine turtles and five beaked whales have washed up dead on the windswept beaches of southern Mauritania in recent days, puzzling scientists and worrying the government. Experts from the West African country's Institute of Oceanographic Research and Fishing visited the scene but were unable to take any samples because of the advanced state of decay of the corpses, the government said late on Thursday.

http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/25597/story.htm

This could all be nothing but a string of coincidence with little relevance to this so-called Aussie Bloke predictor of doom. But I just want to say it has been nawing at me all weekend. To read up on this Aussie Bloke, go to the following link. Now remember, in my opinion, what you will see is pure conjecture riddled with religious overtures and non-science speculation, but what the heck, it is one roller coaster ride of an article. Here is a site called “Truinsight” which has laid out an interesting string of events. Truinsight: http://www.truinsight.com


3,240 posted on 06/21/2004 7:10:20 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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