Posted on 06/08/2004 10:17:36 AM PDT by missyme
Christian attorney says he is grieved that Los Angeles County caved to the ACLU and will remove a small cross from its official seal.
The Los Angeles Times reported last week that the decision came after a lively debate among the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors. The American Civil Liberties Union had threatened to sue the county if it did not remove the cross, describing it as an "impermissible endorsement of Christianity."
In the end, the supervisors decided on a 3-2 vote -- three Democrats to two Republicans -- that the tiny cross was not worth a lawsuit and agreed to remove it. According to reports, one of the Republican supervisors, Mike Antonovich, is fighting for a re-vote on the matter and plans to raise the issue again at the June 8 meeting of the Board of Supervisors.
Steve Crampton, chief counsel for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy (CLP), laments the Board's decision to simply lie down when faced by a threat from the ACLU.
"In the end, the majority of [the county supervisors] simply didn't want to fight -- and if you don't fight, you certainly can't win," Crampton says. "So the ACLU's threat results in a victory without having to fire a shot."
Crampton thinks the ACLU would be better served pursuing civil liberties rather than running around the country looking for crosses. The CLP attorney also thinks Los Angeles County supervisors had a good case for keeping the cross on their county seal. "I think they had a very good case to make," he states. "I am grieved at their decision to simply roll over at the ACLU."
As it is currently constituted, the county seal incorporates other non-religious images, such as a cow and a fish. But Crampton notes that the ACLU did not seem to have a problem with another religious symbol on the county seal -- the image of a pagan goddess, which is the central figure on the county seal.
"They have the Roman goddess Pomona [on the seal]," he explains. "Well, the ACLU doesn't say anything about the existence of this plainly religious figure. They're only interested in going after the Christian symbol."
Not So Fast ...
Crampton is not the only person who interprets the ACLU's actions as anti-Christian. The Thomas More Law Center in Michigan states that the ACLU has a plan to "systematically remove Christianity from the public square." That's why they filed a federal lawsuit on Friday to prevent removal of the cross from the LA County seal.
The lawsuit, filed on Friday, was brought on behalf of an employee of Los Angeles County who feels that removal of the cross sends a government-sponsored message of hostility towards Christians in violation of the U.S. Constitution. Specifically, the suit claims the county's actions convey "an impermissible state-sponsored message of disapproval of and hostility toward Christianity in violation of the Establishment Clause."
More Law Center associate counsel Robert Muise says the ball is now in the supervisors' court. "LA County now has a choice to make: offend the ACLU and keep the cross, or defend their unconstitutional policy of discrimination against Christians in the federal court," he says, adding this comment:
"The county supervisors were sadly mistaken if they believed that Christians would just roll over and let the county treat them as second-class citizens."
I AM SURE THE ACLU WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE THE CROSS TO A MOON GOD, I KNOW AS A CHRISTIAN I SHOULD PRAY FOR THE ACLU BUT MY SINFUL SELF WOULD LIKE TO PUNCH THEM RIGHT IN THE KISSER!
Dracula was less offended by a cross than some of these ACLU types . . .
Yes, I know it's more complicated than that, but I feel like venting.
Amen, to that! Glad to see people are finally standing up against this discrimination.
Pray for them to get real lives. I can't imagine how bored one would have to be with one's life to spend hours and hours pouring over county seals until one finds some reason to be offended.
But they see no problem with the central figure of the seal -- the pagan Goddess Pomona.
I really beleive the ACLU'S Supervisor is the Devil himself.
They are one of the biggest downfalls we have in this country amongst other deviants..
The Pagan Goddess Pomona or I am sure the Moon GOD Mohammed. Just eliminate anything that remotely reminds them of Jesus Christ..
Does this mean all those paintings of the Virgin of Guadalupe in public places will have to be painted over, too?
I'd love to see MOAB dropped on the American Communists and Liberals Union building. Sh*t, we'd have to have a week off to CELEBRATE IT!
Yes and I am sure they would love to change the name from Los Angeles to Los Diablos! which is who the ACLU are
That's the game plan -- destroy Christianity. These sickos would much rather see Islam dominate the country's religious life than Christianity. ....That is, until Islam actually succeeded. Then the fools at the ACLU would be among the very first to get beheaded.
EVERYONE needs to have a Cross displayed on the vehicles, on their lapels - everywhere.
I would add a Star of David also. publically, and obviously. I would address the councils in their PUBLIC meeting begining with the words ....
"As a citizen of this nation, under GOD, I ....."
if everybody began to do this openly, without embrassment, we CAN take this country back to morality.
Of Course! They allow a Mosque in the Detroit area which is still the USA to announce over a fricking loudspeaker a Call to prayer or a Call to Murder Chrstians and Jews which is more like it and that is "Okay" not once but 5 times a day! Yet a little cross represented on the California Seal they want it removed because that is offensive...Does this country belong to Americans or the 21st century immigrants?
Lately, I've been hearing about people being harrassed
by stangers in malls, etc., for wearing a cross.
Someone mentioned on the radio that Los Angeles itself would have to have it's name changed at some point to satisfy the anti-Christians. Then you can move to San Fracisco, San Luis Obispo, San Fenando valley, San Diego....etc., etc.
Where does it stop? When the mere utterance of God (but likely not Allah) will result in a fine or jail?
It stops when Jesus returns in glory to finally rid the world of this garbage...
I would really enjoy that confrontation!
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