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Historians vs. George W. Bush
History News Network ^ | June 7, 2004 | Robert S. McElvaine

Posted on 06/06/2004 9:43:55 PM PDT by Samwise

Although his approval ratings have slipped somewhat in recent weeks, President George W. Bush still enjoys the overall support of nearly half of the American people. He does not, however, fare nearly so well among professional historians.

A recent informal, unscientific survey of historians conducted at my suggestion by George Mason University’s History News Network found that eight in ten historians responding rate the current presidency an overall failure.

(Excerpt) Read more at hnn.us ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: academia; academicbias; alternativereality; bush; historians
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***Shaking head***
1 posted on 06/06/2004 9:43:56 PM PDT by Samwise
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"Of 415 historians who expressed a view of President Bush’s administration to this point as a success or failure, 338 classified it as a failure and 77 as a success. (Moreover, it seems likely that at least eight of those who said it is a success were being sarcastic, since seven said Bush’s presidency is only the best since Clinton’s and one named Millard Fillmore.) Twelve percent of all the historians who responded rate the current presidency the worst in all of American history, not too far behind the 19 percent who see it at this point as an overall success."


2 posted on 06/06/2004 9:44:52 PM PDT by Samwise (The day may come when the courage of men fails...but it is not this day. This day we fight!)
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I'd be interested in finding out their political affiliations. Bet they're mostly Dems.


3 posted on 06/06/2004 9:47:30 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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Weren't these the same gus who assured us that detente and MAD and appeasement were the best policies when Ronald Reagan was President and who now (through gritted teeth) have to admit he won the Cold War?

Marx was right about one thing: class interest (in this case, kissing up to all the other left leaning primates barking at the moon who surround you in the academy) almost always trumps the truth.

4 posted on 06/06/2004 9:48:47 PM PDT by pierrem15
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gus=guys


5 posted on 06/06/2004 9:49:04 PM PDT by pierrem15
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...and of course if those same historians were around during th eighties, they considered Ronald Reagan as a simpleton who endangered the smooth diplomacy between the USA and Soviet Russia.

Who cares??
6 posted on 06/06/2004 9:49:46 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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Is this the same 415 "historians" who signed the letter that Clinton's crimes didn't "rise to the level of impeachment"?


7 posted on 06/06/2004 9:49:56 PM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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Where do most historians get there salary from?

I would like to see some polls conducted on Bush supporters vs. Kerry supporters linked to their employment.

I would venture to guess that private citizens more often support GWB and those on the public dole most often support Kerry (minus the military...).

BTW, I am currently on the public trough myself (in the military) so I'm not putting EVERYBODY in the same group and I'm not looking to offend all public servants.

I just think you're more likely to support the DNC if you are already part of some socialist institution.


8 posted on 06/06/2004 9:50:39 PM PDT by Captain Rabbit (Kuck Ferry!!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I'm looking around the site and trying to learn more about them.


9 posted on 06/06/2004 9:52:42 PM PDT by Samwise (The day may come when the courage of men fails...but it is not this day. This day we fight!)
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I am currently on the public trough myself (in the military)

If you're in the military, you are not on the public trough. You are earning your wage.

Thank you for your service!

10 posted on 06/06/2004 9:55:03 PM PDT by Samwise (The day may come when the courage of men fails...but it is not this day. This day we fight!)
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"He does not, however, fare nearly so well among professional historians."

This fact alone would be enough to convince me that George Bush must be a fabulous President.

11 posted on 06/06/2004 9:55:20 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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I am flabbergasted that people could actually spend time studying history and have absolutely no understanding of it.


12 posted on 06/06/2004 9:57:48 PM PDT by Samwise (The day may come when the courage of men fails...but it is not this day. This day we fight!)
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"I'd be interested in finding out their political affiliations. Bet they're mostly Dems."

You'd win that bet in a NY minute. They're almost all on the left.

13 posted on 06/06/2004 9:58:25 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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Oh, they understand it. They just don't like it. So they "deconstruct" it to fit their anti-American, anti-Founders, anti-Free market, anti-white people, anti-male, anti-freedom agenda. They're propagandists first, historians a poor second.


14 posted on 06/06/2004 10:00:48 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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You are probably right. Look what else I found there.

http://www.nixonlibrary.org/store/index.cfm?fuseaction=product_details&productUID=E938D955-3959-481D-910A-28BBA403B32E

Somehow, this seems tacky, but it could just be me.


15 posted on 06/06/2004 10:03:07 PM PDT by Samwise (The day may come when the courage of men fails...but it is not this day. This day we fight!)
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OK, I'll say the obvious: most historians are left-leaning commie pinko swine!


16 posted on 06/06/2004 10:06:16 PM PDT by doug9732
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To: Samwise

Neither did Ronald Reagan while he was president.


17 posted on 06/06/2004 10:06:21 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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I'd be interested in finding out their political affiliations. Bet they're mostly Dems.

These people are not true historians.

Any history needs time and context to best depict an event or a presidency.

That is why only now Ronald Reagan gets an admission of the full measure of his success.

Any bum who calls himself a historian and rushes to judgement based on incomplete information is just a partisan bum.

18 posted on 06/06/2004 10:12:02 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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They must miss the gas lines, oppressive taxation, sky-high inflation and the stagnant economy of the Carter years or the "Great Society" agenda and the oh so successful "War on Poverty" of the Johnson era (and of course we cannot leave out his competence regarding the Vietnam War).

Perhaps these revisionist "historians" would have preferred that we continued with Clinton's "head-in-the-sand" strategy to deal with terrorists (now that was a stellar president). The fact that W is meeting the threat head-on should not interfere with these historians preconceptions that such actions are only acceptable when a Democrat such as FDR meets a similar challenge with a similar response.


19 posted on 06/06/2004 10:12:29 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (This is NOT Atlantis!)
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Somehow, this seems tacky, but it could just be me.

For collectors of historical autographs that wold seem to be a good way to get an unambiguously genuine Nixon signature. It's not to my tastes, either, but I can definitely understand why they are being sold.

20 posted on 06/06/2004 10:14:31 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Wilson Reagan 1911-2004, RIP.)
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