Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Exclusive: Liberty attack tapes revealed
Jerusalem Post Online ^ | ARIEH O'SULLIVAN

Posted on 06/05/2004 11:18:02 PM PDT by adam_az

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 161-177 next last
To: USMCVet
"international waters"

They were war zone waters. International or not. War trumps.

61 posted on 06/06/2004 1:43:59 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: Bulwark
No disagreement.
I t would also have been useful had the LBJ administration ot lied to the Israelis by claiming that all ships were west of Cyprus and if they had accepted the Israeli request for a naval liason.
62 posted on 06/06/2004 1:48:47 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: adam_az
... Spector said. "But it wasn't my mistake."

There he goes again.

That Arlen McSpector is always making mistakes. His biggest one is sitting on the wrong side of the aisle in the senate.

Oh. This is the Spector that is a war hero.

63 posted on 06/06/2004 1:50:23 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bvw
The Navy and teh NSA had absolutely foolishly sent it there alone and unannounced

Clue 1, announcing the arrival and departure of intelligence gathering ships and aircraft would have a rather serious impact on their effectiveness. Clue 2, intelligence gathering ships and aircraft are clearly marked.

64 posted on 06/06/2004 1:50:30 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist
Neutral military observers have been part of most wars I've read of. There are standard procedures to follow -- you let your warring host know and usually approve of where you are going and when. It keeps mistakes like this from happening.

In war, false flags are flown -- not too often -- but often enough and with devastating results if not countered that unless the potential combatant is positively identified -- by radio calls, for example -- you just take them out and ask questions later. Hot war does not provide the decorum and comfort of asking questions first. That politeness is deadly -- suicidal.

65 posted on 06/06/2004 2:01:33 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: bvw
They were war zone waters. International or not. War trumps

Clue 3, remember that statement when the Coast Guard blows your sailing boat out of the water.

66 posted on 06/06/2004 2:01:54 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: bvw
There are standard procedures to follow -- you let your warring host know and usually approve of where you are going and when. It keeps mistakes like this from happening.

If I were an "intelligence" gathering agency, I might possibly have a reason to NOT inform the combantants as to why I was sailing in international waters. Hmmm?

67 posted on 06/06/2004 2:08:36 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist
Clearly, you did pas the Idiot's Test! Fully certified.

What an idiotic response.

The Coast Guard would not blow a sailboat out of US waters without active attempts to ID it first -- but they might blow a sailboat out of the waters around the Iraqi oil terminals in the Persian Gulf if that sailboat was on a quick pace into a restricted area. And that would be mighty prudent of them to do so.

The Liberty was in a active, hot, war zone. Not a polite place. An extremely dangerous place. They were there without the proper precautions and a number of good young US sailors and citizens died on account of that foolish and reckless operation in absence of proper precaution.

68 posted on 06/06/2004 2:11:05 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist
And by that you run the dread risk of exactly what did happen. Dead spies and scouts are useless -- worse than not gathering the information in the first place.

If anything the Liberty's mission was like the "I'll never get killed" recklessness of a fresh teenager driver in a fast car. Magical thinking that was deadly. Magical thinking that even an unannounced sneaky visit into a hot war zone is safe on account of the US flag markings. James Deanish -- except the commanders there should have known better.

69 posted on 06/06/2004 2:17:56 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: bvw
Not a polite place. An extremely dangerous place. They were there without the proper precautions

Why does it always get reduced to name calling? The intelligence gathering you're calling a "mistake" is happening right now, all over the world, in international waters, by the US Navy and the USAF, just to name a few. The difference as to what happened to the USS Liberty should be self evident.

70 posted on 06/06/2004 2:21:22 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: taxesareforever
Of course there was a flag flying. However, depending on the course of the ship, her speed, and the speed of any wind, it's very possible the flag was laying vertical to its mast. If the weather were hazy, it would be even more difficult to see the flag.

The question I can't get past, is why the Israeli pilots didn't try international channels for a possible I.D. The whole thing sounds like overzealous trigger happy aviator and ground controllers.

71 posted on 06/06/2004 2:29:06 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Operation Gratitude - www.opgratitude.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

Calling an idiotic response the work of an idiot is not exactly name-calling.


72 posted on 06/06/2004 2:42:05 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: A Navy Vet
The question I can't get past, is why the Israeli pilots didn't try international channels for a possible I.D. The whole thing sounds like overzealous trigger happy aviator and ground controllers.

Thats my feeling too.
73 posted on 06/06/2004 2:42:31 PM PDT by cmsgop ( It Puts The Lotion in the Basket or it gets the Hose Again........)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: bvw
Clearly, you did pas the Idiot's Test!

Fully certified.

What an idiotic response.

The Coast Guard would not blow a sailboat out of US waters without active attempts to ID it first

Excellent analysis. Now please try to apply this logic to Deputy Base Commander Capt. Yiftach Spector as he strafes an un-indentified target. Odd, No?

74 posted on 06/06/2004 2:42:50 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: adam_az
Potential tagline:

"Conspiracy theories in general live, and regarding Jews and Israel they are immortal."

75 posted on 06/06/2004 2:47:58 PM PDT by Petronski (Some leftists find Bush's very existence to be a "constant oppressive force in their daily psyche.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bvw

You call people names instead of addressing the message. There are several old saying that go along with that... I know, you couldn't help yourself...


76 posted on 06/06/2004 2:53:32 PM PDT by DB (©)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: DB

Oh, I addressed the message. And well, too.


77 posted on 06/06/2004 3:00:56 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: cmsgop

This was called the "Six Day War" because it took six days. Had pilots and soldiers been twirling their radio dials around and around maybe it would have been called the Twelve Day War that Isreal Lost. Fortunately -- it was the Six Day War and the Isreali's did not waste any of the few precious seconds in those short six days that they had to defend themselves.


78 posted on 06/06/2004 3:06:20 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: bvw

"Oh, I addressed the message. And well, too."

Nancy Pelosi would find you a kindred spirit LOL...


79 posted on 06/06/2004 3:07:44 PM PDT by DB (©)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: msdrby

ping


80 posted on 06/06/2004 3:09:02 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life. ~ RWR)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 161-177 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson