Exclusive: Liberty attack tapes revealed

Jerusalem Post Online ^ | ARIEH O'SULLIVAN

[Boot Hill]

• "Oh for crying out load BH. Freefly's post (now removed) said the USS liberty had been torpedoed and that a "mysterious" IAF pilot had refused to bomb it."

You are mistaken and confused. Freefly's deleted post, post #50, the post that initiated the series of exchanges between him and me, contained NO mention, whatsoever, of torpedoes!

• "You ragged Freefly for posting "skin head" material from the git-go and all the way through this thread, even though it now turns out his "info" was at least partially correct."

You bet your rosy red rear, I ragged on him for posting nonsense from a neo-Nazi website. But you are completely wrong when you assert that any part of what he posted was accurate. Once again, what he posted contained ZERO mention of any torpedoes. It was only about the Israeli pilot.

Do you finally get it?

--Boot Hill

[Boot Hill]

"The bottom quote would be YOUR response to Freefly."

And when you read post #161, you'll see that what I said in that quote was both accurate and not a contradiction. You screwed up, pal. You jumped in feet-first, without looking (or reading). Time to pay the piper.

--Boot Hill

[ScreamingFist]

Do you finally get it?

Stick figure number 1. Do you get it?

[ScreamingFist]

Time to pay the piper.

Sure is. Apparently you knew that at least part of what Freefly posted was correct, yet chose to ignore it to discredit the rest of Freefly's post. An action worthy of used car salesmen and ambulance chasers the world over.

[Boot Hill]

You now know that there was no mention of torpedoes in post #50. That was the only issue you had to argue about and now it's gone. Your whole argument turns out to be an error based on a figment of your imagination. And your trite reply in #163 is all you can offer up?

--Boot Hill

[Boot Hill]

"Apparently you knew that at least part of what Freefly posted was correct, yet chose to ignore it..."

You are wrong. Once more, there was NO mention of torpedoes in that post. I saved his post, but I will not break forum rules by reposting it. If you want a copy freepmailed to you, just ask.

--Boot Hill

[ScreamingFist]

You now know that there was no mention of torpedoes in post #50. That was the only issue you had to argue about and now it's gone.

Hey professor, YOUR quotes are taken from YOUR response to post #103. Post #50 is gone. Keep digging.

[ScreamingFist]

You are wrong. Once more, there was NO mention of torpedoes in that post. I saved his post, but I will not break forum rules by reposting it. If you want a copy freepmailed to you, just ask.

Stick figure #2. The only text I've referenced so far is still in the thread. Post #103 and your raving response in #109 are a good starting point.

[Boot Hill]

Hey professor, YOUR quotes are taken from YOUR response to post #103."

Hey genius, post #103 is freefly's post, not mine. Nor will you find any of my replies to freefly mentioning torpedoes. That's only a figment of your oxygen-starved brain.

Your mouth and your attitude, alone, are what got you in this mess in the first place. But it seems though, that you're not man enough to own up to your mistakes.

I'm beginning to suspect that the real reason for your childish temper tantrum has nothing to do with torpedoes. Was it the way I exposed freefly for posting that crap and the way I exposed the American Free Press and their whacked-out stooge Christopher Bollyn, as propaganda arms of the anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi, skinhead, Willis Carto empire-of-hate. What's the matter SF, did I cut a little too close to the bone for you, hmmm?

While we're on the subject, what's your screen name over at Liberty Forum? You know, SF, it's not like you can come crying about being exposed like this. I warned you at the outset that you were getting in over your head with your goofy attack, but you just blew it off. Next time, take the advice.

See ya around, pal!

--Boot Hill

[ScreamingFist]

I'm beginning to suspect that the real reason for your childish temper tantrum has nothing to do with torpedoes. Was it the way I exposed freefly for posting that crap and the way I exposed the American Free Press and their whacked-out stooge Christopher Bollyn, as propaganda arms of the anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi, skinhead, Willis Carto empire-of-hate. What's the matter SF, did I cut a little too close to the bone for you, hmmm?

Thomas H. Moorer Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC

Merlin Staring

Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret., Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,

James Akins Ambassador James Akins, Ret., Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

Yea BH, Only skin heads and neo nazi's share my views. But your job is apparently disruption, not facts.

[ScreamingFist]

I warned you at the outset that you were getting in over your head with your goofy attack, but you just blew it off. Next time, take the advice.

Bring it, you crying little girl, you couldn't debate your way out of a wet paper bag.

[ScreamingFist]

Hey genius, post #103 is freefly's post, not mine. Nor will you find any of my replies to freefly mentioning torpedoes. That's only a figment of your oxygen-starved brain.

LOL. Can you READ, or just push the abuse button? I'm SO thankful I have BH (LOL) to save us from ourselves. You think highly of yourself, I have a challenge.....care to take it?

[ScreamingFist]

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Announcement!

An offer from counsel:

We are almost ready to put the final touches on the main Court of Inquiry site at www.usslibertyinquiry.com. In the interest of fairness, I’d really like to find someone with good writing skills and a detailed knowledge of the facts who believes that the attack on USS Liberty was genuinely an accident.

I propose to put forward the argument for the American position. The person arguing the defense for Israel would then have an opportunity to refute each point raised, as well as put forward their own arguments. Once that has been done, as the moving party, I would then offer a short rebuttal, limited strictly to any new issues raised by the defense. If there is anyone who would like to take on this task, please let me know. Whatever you write will go up precisely as you deliver it to me. There will be no editing whatsoever. If you wish to refer to evidence not already on the site, you will need to send me a copy so that I can post it in the evidence portion of the site as well.

Contact Ron Gotcher at jrg@gotcherlaw.com <!+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>

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Jim Ennes and Joe Meadors

USS Liberty

[ScreamingFist]

Your challenge. Debate the survivors, not the messenger.

[ScreamingFist]

Your mouth and your attitude, alone, are what got you in this mess in the first place. But it seems though, that you're not man enough to own up to your mistakes.

Ug. Bring it.

[SunkenCiv]

This appears in the Web Archive by May 21, 2001, so it's at least that old.

The USS Liberty: Case Closed
by Michael B. Oren
(by May 21, 2001)

Although Israel apologized for the attack and paid compensation to its victims, many American officials rejected Israel's claim that the Liberty incident had been an honest mistake. Rather, they blamed Israel for what was at best inexcusable negligence, or at worst the premeditated murder of American servicemen. Such charges persisted in the face of successive inquiries by a broad range of American agencies and Congressional committees, as well as a full Israeli court of inquiry, all of which found no proof whatsoever that Israel knowingly attacked an American ship. On the contrary, the evidence produced by these investigations lent further support to Israel's claim that its decision to attack was, given the circumstances, a reasonable error...

The claim is particularly widespread on the Internet, where a search for the "USS Liberty" yields dozens of sites, from those of Arab propagandists (Birzeit.edu, Salam.org, Palestine Forever) and anti-Semitic hate mongers (The Tangled Web, Jew Watch) to the award-winning USS Liberty Homepage, posted by Ennes and other veterans. But while the tenor of these pages may differ - the veterans abjure any anti-Semitism, stressing that several of their crewmates were Jewish- their conclusions are indistinguishable: Israel wantonly attacked the Liberty with the intention of killing every man on board, and then thwarted attempts to investigate the crime.

Refuting this accusation was difficult if not impossible in the past, when the official records on the Liberty were designated top-secret and closed to the general public. With the recent declassification of these documents in the United States and Israel, however, researchers have gained access to a wealth of primary sources - Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and U.S. military records, Israeli diplomatic correspondence, and memoranda from both the State Department and the White House. With the aid of these materials, the attack on the Liberty can now be reconstructed virtually minute-by-minute and with remarkable detail. The picture that emerges is not one of crime at all, nor even of criminal negligence, but of a string of failed communications, human errors, unfortunate coincidences and equipment failures on both the American and Israeli sides - the kind of tragic, senseless mistake that is all too common in the thick of war.

After 9/11 this U.S.S. Liberty incident got dredged up again, in order to equate the intentional mass murder of Americans by Arab Moslem terrorists with the unintentional attacks on the Liberty.

[SunkenCiv]

the Left brings up the incident a lot, as do their brethren at Stormfront.

Anyway, here's a related FR topic:

U.S. agency confirms sinking of USS Liberty was accident
Haaretz ^ | 9/7/2003 | Nathan Guttman
Posted on 07/08/2003 4:33:17 PM PDT by Courier
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942571/posts