Posted on 06/05/2004 11:18:02 PM PDT by adam_az
They were war zone waters. International or not. War trumps.
There he goes again.
That Arlen McSpector is always making mistakes. His biggest one is sitting on the wrong side of the aisle in the senate.
Oh. This is the Spector that is a war hero.
Clue 1, announcing the arrival and departure of intelligence gathering ships and aircraft would have a rather serious impact on their effectiveness. Clue 2, intelligence gathering ships and aircraft are clearly marked.
In war, false flags are flown -- not too often -- but often enough and with devastating results if not countered that unless the potential combatant is positively identified -- by radio calls, for example -- you just take them out and ask questions later. Hot war does not provide the decorum and comfort of asking questions first. That politeness is deadly -- suicidal.
Clue 3, remember that statement when the Coast Guard blows your sailing boat out of the water.
If I were an "intelligence" gathering agency, I might possibly have a reason to NOT inform the combantants as to why I was sailing in international waters. Hmmm?
What an idiotic response.
The Coast Guard would not blow a sailboat out of US waters without active attempts to ID it first -- but they might blow a sailboat out of the waters around the Iraqi oil terminals in the Persian Gulf if that sailboat was on a quick pace into a restricted area. And that would be mighty prudent of them to do so.
The Liberty was in a active, hot, war zone. Not a polite place. An extremely dangerous place. They were there without the proper precautions and a number of good young US sailors and citizens died on account of that foolish and reckless operation in absence of proper precaution.
If anything the Liberty's mission was like the "I'll never get killed" recklessness of a fresh teenager driver in a fast car. Magical thinking that was deadly. Magical thinking that even an unannounced sneaky visit into a hot war zone is safe on account of the US flag markings. James Deanish -- except the commanders there should have known better.
Why does it always get reduced to name calling? The intelligence gathering you're calling a "mistake" is happening right now, all over the world, in international waters, by the US Navy and the USAF, just to name a few. The difference as to what happened to the USS Liberty should be self evident.
The question I can't get past, is why the Israeli pilots didn't try international channels for a possible I.D. The whole thing sounds like overzealous trigger happy aviator and ground controllers.
Calling an idiotic response the work of an idiot is not exactly name-calling.
Fully certified.
What an idiotic response.
The Coast Guard would not blow a sailboat out of US waters without active attempts to ID it first
Excellent analysis. Now please try to apply this logic to Deputy Base Commander Capt. Yiftach Spector as he strafes an un-indentified target. Odd, No?
"Conspiracy theories in general live, and regarding Jews and Israel they are immortal."
You call people names instead of addressing the message. There are several old saying that go along with that... I know, you couldn't help yourself...
Oh, I addressed the message. And well, too.
This was called the "Six Day War" because it took six days. Had pilots and soldiers been twirling their radio dials around and around maybe it would have been called the Twelve Day War that Isreal Lost. Fortunately -- it was the Six Day War and the Isreali's did not waste any of the few precious seconds in those short six days that they had to defend themselves.
"Oh, I addressed the message. And well, too."
Nancy Pelosi would find you a kindred spirit LOL...
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