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Taking Back Islam - Moderate Muslims say their faith is compatible with Freedom.
National ReviewOnline ^ | june5, 2004

Posted on 06/05/2004 7:21:49 PM PDT by nuconvert

Taking Back Islam - Moderate Muslims say their faith is compatible with Freedom.

By Erick Stakelbeck & Nir Boms

June 03, 2004

There's an elephant in the room whenever the current U.S. operation in Iraq is discussed: Is Islam truly compatible with democracy? Or do the U.S.'s troubles in stabilizing Iraq signal that Muslims simply have no desire to live in a free, democratic society?

Right now the answers to these questions are unclear. For every modern Islamic "success story" like Turkey or Malaysia, there are Islamist nightmares like Saudi Arabia and Iran.

In the United States, too, there is reason for uncertainty. American Muslims with moderate views have been either unable or unwilling to engage in public discourse. As a result, militant groups with a moderate veneer have been able to set the tone.

A patriotic group of Arizona Muslims, however, is looking to change all that.

Earlier this spring in Phoenix, the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD) held a "Rally Against Terror" that gave moderate Muslims a platform on which to condemn terrorism and pledge support for the United States.

Identified by the Arizona Republic as "the nation's first Muslim rally against terrorism," the 50-minute event drew, according to various estimates, between 250 and 400 people, most of them non-Muslims.

Considering that the event was actively promoted within Phoenix's 50,000-strong Muslim community, that number is a bit disappointing. Nevertheless, AIFD Chairman Zuhdi Jasser says the rally was a positive first step for the group, which was founded in March 2003 by Muslim professionals in the Phoenix area.

"When the moderates stay silent, the radicals speak for everyone," says Jasser, a physician. "Up until now, moderates have not been articulating a moderate form of Islam which Americans can embrace. We want to take back our faith from the radicals and let them know that we are side-by-side with the U.S."

Listening to Jasser, the son of Syrian immigrants, is a breath of fresh air at a time when anti-American sentiment engulfs a large part of the Arab and Muslim world. A former U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander who served as a Navy medical officer from 1988 to 1999, Jasser clearly loves his country and his faith, and sees no reason why the two cannot coexist.

"Our inspiration for this is two things," says Jasser. "Number one, at the core of the war on terror is a battle over ideology. World War II had fascism, the Cold War had Communism. Our present war has the targeting and killing of civilians in the name of religion: Islam. There needs to be a Muslim voice that speaks directly against that ideology. Secondly, there is a lack of any American Islamic institution that discusses the synergy of the U.S. Constitution with the Islamic faith. This makes it an obligation for us to be leaders in promoting a form of Islam that is tolerant and secular in nature."

Jasser is quick to clarify his use of the word "secular."

"Secularism as a term is almost associated with a lack of piety," he says. "What I'm trying to say is that in America, there are many devout people who are politically active. But we don't make decisions here based on theocracy or religious views."

The values that Jasser and AIFD are promoting are deeply rooted in the American experience. Jasser is confident that Muslims in the U.S. will eventually embrace his message and realize that, as he says, "Freedom brings you closer to God."

For now, though, Jasser realizes that views like the ones he expressed in a May 25 op-ed for azcentral.com aren't likely to endear him to the al-Jazeera crowd. In the piece, titled "Iraq is Your War," Jasser listed four reasons why the U.S. is currently fighting abroad:

It is impossible to keep America safe by just playing defense.

The Middle East is the epicenter of the terror network.

Despotic governments bring out the worst in religion.

Change the political environment in the Middle East and we change the associated religious pathology.

"Over half of the Muslim immigrants in the U.S. came here in the past 25 years," says Jasser. "And many of them bring with them the baggage that government coercion and autonomy are necessary, just as in their former countries. We want to educate them and let them know that is not the case."

It would help if U.S. government officials and the mainstream media took notice of AIFD's efforts, rather than continuing to promote the agendas of radical Muslims with anti-American views. AIFD is attempting to increase its visibility through its website and by holding future anti-terrorism rallies.

By supporting the endeavors of AIFD and other moderate Muslim organizations, the U.S. may yet be able to avert the clash of civilizations simmering in its own backyard.

— Nir Boms is a fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and the Council for Democracy and Tolerance. Erick Stakelbeck is senior writer for the Investigative Project, a Washington, D.C.-based counterterrorism research institute.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aifd; democracy; islam; jasser; moderateislam; mrislam; muslim; saudi; terrorism
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To: nuconvert
This guy is a fine man. He spoke at a Support the Troops rally a few weeks back and was wonderful.

It's hard to get people to speak out or to actually show up at rallies, that doesn't mean that they don't agree with him. It's going to take a lot of courage over the coming years because people who are normally shy are going to need to step up (or at least show up). If they do this, they can take back their religion from those who tarnish it.

21 posted on 06/05/2004 8:24:12 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Priorities

History and the qu'ran are against your opinion. On what do you base it?


22 posted on 06/05/2004 8:24:44 PM PDT by watchin (Democratic Party - the political wing of the IRS)
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To: nuconvert
That's a ridiculous statement.

It's not original with me. It's a plan that has been used off and on for 14 centuries.

23 posted on 06/05/2004 8:29:47 PM PDT by mfulstone
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To: GoLightly
About 80% of Moslems are not Arabs.

True but because the Arabs were the ones who spread Islam their tribal culture has infected all Muslim societies to some degree. I think that there is something about the nuclear family being a higher priority than the extended family that explains much of our advantage over the Arab World. The nuclear family is focused through marriage on the present and through kids on the future. Tribalism focuses on your ancestors and the past.

24 posted on 06/05/2004 8:40:10 PM PDT by Priorities (You can tell a lot about a person by observing his priorities)
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To: gilliam
But Islam is essentially an Arab religion and Arabs have great influence on its structure and theology.

Sort of, as it's writings are in Arabic. Still, it does not exist in any kind Arabic bubble, with an Aribization of all who follow it's teachings.

If you take a look at Christianity, you might say adherents are tied to Hebrews, to some Israli tribes. You might also say it has greater basis in Roman or Greek beliefs, specifically those beliefs which existed during the times their empires were on the rise. If you follow Eastern Christianity, you might say your religion is based on the culture of the Assyrians. Last, but not least, with the King James version of the Bible being a long standing & the most commonly used translation of the original teachings, you might say Christianity is stuck in the time of one of the English civil wars, the civil war fought specifically about the soul of western Christianity.

Is Christianity responsible for creating any paternalistic society? Does Christianity create me, a woman as a secondary, voiceless entity in society? Do any of the core teachings demand extermination of indigenous populations of all who fail to sufficiently "convert", such as portions of some tribes of native Americans?

Much of the bad attributed to Islam *should* be attributed to cultural traditions & those traditions existed in the societies long before Islam entered the picture.

25 posted on 06/05/2004 8:40:33 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Clint Williams

Any list of terrorists around the world will show that the vast majority are muslims.

As seen in the article at the top of this thread, the vast majority of muslims are not interested in condemning terrorism.

Terrorism is bound up in both the history and the teachings of islam. Denial of such is merely wishful thinking, or islamic propaganda.


26 posted on 06/05/2004 8:41:46 PM PDT by watchin (Democratic Party - the political wing of the IRS)
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To: Priorities
I think that they are correct, Islam is compatible with freedom, it is the tribalism of certain Arab sects that is not compatible.

With all due respect, I disagree with this. Islam is not compatible with neither freedom nor democracy.

The Quran itself instructs the followers to Islam to judge unlike Christianity who's prophet tells us 'not to judge lest we be judged'. The Quran is many things including a war manual that explains how infidels are to be dealt with.

Every Muslim on the planet will tell you that Islam is not only a religion, but rather a 'way of life'. The Quran is the manual on how to live that life. Everything is adressed on every aspect of one's life.

Unlike the bible, Muslims beleive that the Quran is the word of Allah. It is this one thing that many Westerners tend to overlook when making an assessment of Islam.

Imagine if you will that Christianity had instead of 10 commandments direct from God but rather 10,000 commandments that addressed each and every aspect of your life.

27 posted on 06/05/2004 8:43:29 PM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: nuconvert

Moderate Muslims? Are they like Unicorns and Griffins?


28 posted on 06/05/2004 8:45:44 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: watchin
History and the qu'ran are against your opinion. On what do you base it?

Western Society tried and failed at variations on representative democracy a few times, Islam is just starting to try.

29 posted on 06/05/2004 8:46:00 PM PDT by Priorities (You can tell a lot about a person by observing his priorities)
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To: Priorities
I think that they are correct, Islam is compatible with freedom, it is the tribalism of certain Arab sects that is not compatible.

Then explain why non-Arab muslims are killing folks all over the world and why nearly every major conflict at present is because of Islam trying to take over and subjugate everyone else to Islamic law.
30 posted on 06/05/2004 8:51:38 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense.)
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To: Destructor
Moderate Muslims? Well... let's get the Islamic terminology straight, once and for all:

Mosque = Terrorist Barracks

Red Crescent Ambulance = Munitions Supply Truck

Radical Muslim = REAL Muslim who follows the Koran

Moderate Muslim = A Trojan horse who quietly smiles and nods his head at the terrorists

Koran = a call to terror, murder, oppression, slavery, misogyny and backward culture

Infidel = all non Muslims and Muslims who are not on jihad (all doomed to die)

Holy Lands = all lands unfortunate enough to be or ever have been under the heavy yoke of Muslim terror, murder, oppression, slavery, misogyny

Islamic Pride = an insanely jealous hatred for every other culture that has left Islam groveling in its own seventh-century dust.

CAIR = Crying Arabic Islamic Retrogrades

Minaret = Satan's Jukebox - or - Howling Hell Tower

Burkha = Misogynistic Mobile Women's Prison

Muslim Chaplin (U.S. Armed Forces) = Turncoat Brigade Recruiter

Rape = something the guys get to do, especially to those hottie infidel chicks! (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

Modern Technology = "Huh? Oh yes, that stuff the evil infidels make and maintain for us to use and kill them."

Allah = the Moon God, whose most important representative here on earth is that meteorite worshiped in Mecca

Little Boys = a man's pleasure machines

Paradise = a giant rape orgy for you - if you die while ruthlessly murdering innocent unsuspecting infidel women and children

U.S. Armed Forces = things to run away from or kill with booby-traps, unless you can take a cheap shot at them and then hide behind women and children or hide in a Mosque.

Christian Church = firewood

Synagogue = firewood

Buddhist Temple = firewood

Hindu Temple = firewood

Confucian Church = firewood

Jewish Restaurant = Bomb Demolition Depot firewood

Truce= a chance to regroup and kill more infidels later

Liberalism = the societal AIDS virus that stops the infidels from fighting Islam off

President John Kerry = Eeeewwww! (Shudder!) The Islamonazi’s great white hope!
31 posted on 06/05/2004 8:54:21 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense.)
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To: expatguy
Islam is not compatible with a true theocracy. In order to form a theocracy you must have one man acting as the voice of god and who is the final authority on determining god’s will. In Islam the Koran is the final authority, the result is the need for interpretation. Men do the interpretation and the result is disagreements and different interpretations. Muslims may kill each other over interpretation and each claim a superior understanding but none can legitimately claim to speak for god in making new law.

I wrote that earlier but I think the interpretation will allow Islam to adapt to the 21st century.

32 posted on 06/05/2004 8:58:31 PM PDT by Priorities (You can tell a lot about a person by observing his priorities)
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To: nuconvert
"Moderate Islam" is an oxymoron. Claiming to be moderate is part of an insidious disguise to facilitate the infiltration and destruction of western civilization."

That's a ridiculous statement.

It is an accuaret statement. Islam is a religion which is 100% about domination of all other theologies, and 0% about love, care or a supreme diety (except the moon god as a figurehead to endow the pedophile coward snak-oil salesman muhammed (may he roast in hell forever).

Islam cannot be redeemed anymore than communism. The soomer Americans READ THE QUARAN (or Koran or Q'aran) the sooner they will see this a political fight with a very thin veneer of religion.

33 posted on 06/05/2004 9:01:29 PM PDT by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to be you)
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To: broadsword

HA! Thanks for bringing me up to speed on the terminology broadsword! LOL!!!


34 posted on 06/05/2004 9:02:23 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: GoLightly

That is an interesting theory, still those in and around Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Iran rule Islam today.


35 posted on 06/05/2004 9:03:02 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: nuconvert
Taking Back Islam - Moderate Muslims say their faith is compatible with Freedom.

Prove it. We're waiting (Jeopardy waiting theme)

I wont hold my breath.

Uh, btw, we're still waiting for the 9/11 condemnations and apologies.

36 posted on 06/05/2004 9:04:42 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: broadsword
Tribalism is being fostered by certain groups who desire to undermine the nation state. Islam because of its history and because of the location of Muslims on the fault lines between developed and undeveloped world is very vulnerable. Also the tribalism of the Saudi's has been actively spreading because of the use of their oil wealth to build Mosques.
37 posted on 06/05/2004 9:08:14 PM PDT by Priorities (You can tell a lot about a person by observing his priorities)
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To: Destructor

As William F. Buckley would say, "It is c-c-considered an --- essential element in-in-in any debate, for the debaters t-t-to define their terms in order that the debate might go forth in-in-in an orderly manner."


38 posted on 06/05/2004 9:08:22 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense.)
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To: nuconvert

Get rid of the haj nonsense, the shoving your ass in the air 5 times a day, and all the stuff the koran says and go back to the Jewish/Christian sources and islam can survive ok.


39 posted on 06/05/2004 9:09:50 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Priorities

Oh, OK. All right.You betcha! Religion of peace and all that. (wink) OK.

Allahu AkhBarbarian!


40 posted on 06/05/2004 9:10:04 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense.)
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