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Rebel flags may cost pair diplomas
MLive.com ^ | May 28, 2004 | Bob Wheaton

Posted on 06/04/2004 1:21:20 PM PDT by MikeJ75

GRAND BLANC - Bringing flags bearing the Confederate insignia to school could cost two Grand Blanc High School seniors their diplomas.

School administrators met Thursday to determine the fates of the two students and a third who was involved in an altercation sparked by the flags. School officials wouldn't announce the outcome of the meeting.

The Confederate flag has sparked a heated debate at the school about whether it's simply a symbol of the South or one of racial discrimination and slavery.

The two students who brought the flags to school Wednesday said there's nothing racist about the Confederate flag. They said it represents Southern pride, among other things, although one of the students said he wanted to apologize to peers who were offended.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Michigan; US: Minnesota; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: boofreakinhoo; confederatecultists; confederateflag; dixie; dixiecranks; dixiefools; dixielist; flagobsessors; freedomofspeech; good; graduation; grandblanc; michigan; southronfreaks; youlostegetoverit
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I excerpted this article for two reasons. First, I don't see any reason to mention the names of the students. Second, the newspaper seems to have made an error in identifying one of the students, and I certainly do not want to post the name of someone who was not actually involved.

One of the students was disciplined for driving his vehicle on campus on his last day of high school with a rebel flag hanging from the window. The other student was suspended for bringing to school a Mississippi state flag, which apparently has a Confederate emblem in it. The students had been warned on prior occasions.

Seems to me there are significant freedom of speech issues here.

In addition, even if I am wrong about the freedom of speech issue, although I think the students were unwise (they're teenagers, so that goes without saying) to bring rebel flags to school and are lucky they didn't get beat up, stabbed or worse, I do not believe that a harsh punishment is warranted. Instead of withholding their diplomas, just give them a good paddling.

1 posted on 06/04/2004 1:21:21 PM PDT by MikeJ75
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To: stainlessbanner

ping


2 posted on 06/04/2004 1:24:18 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: MikeJ75
...driving his vehicle on campus on his last day of high school with a rebel flag hanging from the window -a Howard Dean supporter?
3 posted on 06/04/2004 1:25:36 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: MikeJ75
I'd really like to apologize, especially to Eddrea, because I saw her in the office the day it happened and she was just in tears

Give me a break... Get out of Minnesota once in a while, kid...

4 posted on 06/04/2004 1:25:40 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: MikeJ75

"suspended for bringing to school a Mississippi state flag"

How long will it be before the American flag is banned?


5 posted on 06/04/2004 1:26:53 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
Is this the "Ride"?


6 posted on 06/04/2004 1:27:37 PM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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Ridiculous. they should fire whoever suspended them instead.


7 posted on 06/04/2004 1:28:39 PM PDT by Legion04
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To: Spok

As America, our history our heritage, and freedoms disappear in the rear view mirror.


8 posted on 06/04/2004 1:28:52 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: MikeJ75
Maybe some free speech issues here but the cold, hard facts of life are that the Confederate battle-flag symbol and Osama Bin Laden are well-grounded in anti-Americanism!

During wartime it might be best to keep that stuff to yourself, eh?!

9 posted on 06/04/2004 1:32:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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However if these same studenst came in with a Bush is a war criminal banner, or a Homosexual "act up" pink triangle, or hippie peace symbol, or Martha Burk Kill all Males logo, or a commie hammer and sickle THESE would be totally acceptable and rewarded.

I do not agree with bringing rebel flags or any other symbol to graduation other than those accedemic symbols. The exception is for military service men and women who go through graduation in Uniform. (way cool BTW)


10 posted on 06/04/2004 1:33:21 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: MikeJ75
In addition, even if I am wrong about the freedom of speech issue, although I think the students were unwise (they're teenagers, so that goes without saying) to bring rebel flags to school and are lucky they didn't get beat up, stabbed or worse, I do not believe that a harsh punishment is warranted. Instead of withholding their diplomas, just give them a good paddling.

Why not bring them? Why paddle them???? Has the flag ever attacked anyone? Are the other students so insane/racist/intolerant that they attack anyone with a different viewpoint? At my kids school, probably 1/4 wear Dixie Outfitter shirt DAILY - almost a uniform.

11 posted on 06/04/2004 1:33:36 PM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: Spok

Good thing they did not bring a FL flag. The X is close to a rebel flag. (or the union jack)


12 posted on 06/04/2004 1:34:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

I lived in the south for a few years, and being a pseudo-northerner (ND) i have never understood the continuing problems with the stars and bars, i put a dixie bandana on my dog who is named Billie (after Billie Holliday, so i dont consider myself a racist). maybe i am ignorant, naive or have a clue, not sure which, but it is a symbol of our country just the same as when we only had 13 stars, POW/MIA flags, state flags, or flying the Maple Leaf or what ever. thats just my rant


13 posted on 06/04/2004 1:47:56 PM PDT by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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i have never understood the continuing problems with the stars and bars

It wasn't an issue, until the NAACP and other liberals needed an issue to divide us.

14 posted on 06/04/2004 1:58:40 PM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: muawiyah

Comparing the Confederate Flag and Osama Bin laden is about as stupid as comments get. The Confederate flag is not Unamerican its a part of American History .


15 posted on 06/04/2004 2:01:47 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Spok
How long will it be before the American flag is banned? you will be allowed to bring one only if you promise to burn it!
16 posted on 06/04/2004 2:07:54 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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"Maybe some free speech issues here but the cold, hard facts of life are that the Confederate battle-flag symbol and Osama Bin Laden are well-grounded in anti-Americanism!"

bullshit! thoughts like that are the same closed minded idiocy why these kids got suspended in the first place. I'm from the North, not south, and have to say, banning of this flag is outright ludicrous.


17 posted on 06/04/2004 2:08:09 PM PDT by Legion04
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To: MikeJ75

It seems that Georgia changed it's state flag in 2001, removing the Confederate part.


18 posted on 06/04/2004 2:16:59 PM PDT by AMERIKA
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To: MikeJ75
Seems to me there are significant freedom of speech issues here.

Not really. The law is fairly clear - a student's right to free speech does not extend to speech that is considered disruptive to the learning environment. Who decides if it's disruptive? The school officials. So sez the law, effectively. These are children, in the end, and children are not fully vested with the rights - or responsibilities - of adults in our society, and hence they do not enjoy the same range of expression that you or I do.

All that being said, withholding the diploma of the student who now appears properly apologetic seems rather harsh - I think repentance should play some part in determining the penalty. As for the other rebel-without-a-clue, perhaps giving him a good hard whack with the cluestick by removing him from his graduation will cause him to open up his eyes about his relative standing in the adult world.

19 posted on 06/04/2004 2:27:07 PM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: muawiyah
"The Rebel Flag," whether Third National (only true Confederate government flag) or, in this case, probably the Flag of the Army of Tennessee, is an American Flag.

Own it.

You bought it at Appomattox, just as Lincoln played "Dixie" on the White House lawn the evening after Lee's surrender.

I'm sure if they sported an Malcolm "X" Tee or the image of Che' they'd be in high cotton.

Own our history, the human history, of The Republic.

During "wartime" the so-called "Battle Flag" of the confederacy adorned aircraft and ships. It is as American as "Don't Tread On Me."

Embrace the essential ambiguity of our nation's nobel history, our essential greatness without the whitewashed PC history. Can the wearing of any crosses can't be far behind? The Crescent, the Star of David?

20 posted on 06/04/2004 2:40:50 PM PDT by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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