You are not particularly feree to lie about the pope and to expect not to be verbally whacked for it.
Please prove your specific charge that JP II "condemned the war in Iraq by providing a specific quote from the pope himself and the source where you found it. The Associated Press summaries will not do. As recently as this week, AP would have had us believe that the essence of Dubya's meeting with JP II was a scolding of Bush by JP II and the transcript does NOT bear out any such thing. The quote you provide must also be from JP II and not from some underling like Renato Cardinal Martino. You did not accuse Martino. You accused JP II.
Despising the practice and advocacy of homosexuality is quite tradional in virtually all cultures and always will be, Jorge, and is hardly juvenile. Take a Socrates cocktail.
Hiya BlackElk,
Hey, I've wondered about that myself. I don't recall any quotes by JPII himself that denounced the war in Iraq. Yet the AP and Reuters keep trumping up this idea. (I no longer trust AP/Reuters without another source).
I DO recall quotes from JPII where he called for adherence to the principles of a just war (without denouncing the Iraq war)...I interpretted this as a simple reminder from JPII to Dubya to keep doing what he was doing.
I'd be interested if Jorge comes up with a quote from JPII himself.
"A militant supporter" of homosexuality? ROFL!
I've had gay Christians describe me as a homophobic who wants to put all gays in concentration camps because of my Biblical beliefs.
And yet because I don't agree with your hatemongering you say I must be either homosexual or a militant supporter of it. Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?
You can't find a single thing I've ever posted to support your hysterical accusations. NOTHING.
you understandably despise the Roman Catholic Church to which I belong. This is America. You are free to despise the RCC and I am free to despise you and the practices you indulge or support, as the case may be.
Once again, you prove you know NOTHING about me, and obviously don't even read posts before you pound out your incoherant meanspirited accusations.
I don't depise the Catholic Church at all.
I consider the RCC a genuine Christian Church and have often defended it a such against attack by my Protestant friends who consider ALL Catholics to be heretics.
Again, you show you know NOTHING about me in your lose cannon accusations.
That doesn't mean I have to agree with EVERYTHING the RCC or the Pope says EVERYDAY.
And unlike you, who can only call names and post personal insults against those who disagree with you, I can post reasonable arguments to support my positions.
Too bad you are afraid to actually address any of them directly.
"Verbally whacked"? LOL!
You've shown you are incapable of even responding directly, least of all challenge posts you disagree with.
Your definition of "verbally whack" is to post wild and hysterical accusation against those who disagree with you. Really weak!
Please prove your specific charge that JP II "condemned the war in Iraq by providing a specific quote from the pope himself and the source where you found it.
No I know why you resort to personal insults.
Your ignorance on this topic is just astounding.
Let me enlighten you;
Pope will scold Bush on Iraq, cardinal says Catholic World News | May 13, 2004
When Pope John Paul II (bio - news) meets with George W. Bush on June 4, the Pontiff will tell the US President that America has taken the wrong course in Iraq. That is what a former apostolic nuncio to the US told a leading Italian newspaper.
Cardinal Pio Laghi told Corriere della Sera that the Pope will repeat the same message that Bush "chose not to listen to" before the war. Cardinal Laghi met with President Bush in March 2003, as a personal envoy from the Pontiff, in a last-minute diplomatic effort to stop the war in Iraq.
Pope's message to Bush - war against Iraq will be 'unjust and illegal'
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 6, 2003 | BENNETT ROTH
WASHINGTON -- A Vatican envoy Wednesday carried the pope's message to the White House that a U.S.-led war against Iraq without United Nations' approval would be "unjust and illegal."
The stern words from Cardinal Pio Laghi, who met for 40 minutes with Bush, underscored the rift between the president, who considers himself a deeply religious man, and a number of Christian leaders over Iraq. Pope John Paul II has regularly preached against the war and asked Catholics worldwide to pray for peace and fast on Ash Wednesday.
Pope to Bush: Go into Iraq and you go without God
Capitol Hill Blue ^ | Mar 5, 2003 | CHB Staff and Wire Reports
Pope John Paul II has a strong message for President George W. Bush: God is not on your side if you invade Iraq. But the President is expected to tell the Pope's envoy that the leader of the world's Catholics is wrong.
The pope has said a war would be a "defeat for humanity" and that the conflict would be neither morally nor legally justified. He wants Iraq to be disarmed through methods short of military force.
Pope John Paul II may ask to personally address UN Security Council to stop Iraq war
AFP | March 3, 2003
Jean Paul II will ask to address personally to the Security Council of the United Nations if its message with the American president George W Bush does not convince it to give up a war against Iraq....