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To: BlackElk
You are not particularly free to lie about the pope and to expect not to be verbally whacked for it.

"Verbally whacked"? LOL!
You've shown you are incapable of even responding directly, least of all challenge posts you disagree with.

Your definition of "verbally whack" is to post wild and hysterical accusation against those who disagree with you. Really weak!

Please prove your specific charge that JP II "condemned the war in Iraq by providing a specific quote from the pope himself and the source where you found it.

No I know why you resort to personal insults.
Your ignorance on this topic is just astounding.

Let me enlighten you;

Pope will scold Bush on Iraq, cardinal says Catholic World News | May 13, 2004

When Pope John Paul II (bio - news) meets with George W. Bush on June 4, the Pontiff will tell the US President that America has taken the wrong course in Iraq. That is what a former apostolic nuncio to the US told a leading Italian newspaper.

Cardinal Pio Laghi told Corriere della Sera that the Pope will repeat the same message that Bush "chose not to listen to" before the war. Cardinal Laghi met with President Bush in March 2003, as a personal envoy from the Pontiff, in a last-minute diplomatic effort to stop the war in Iraq.

Pope's message to Bush - war against Iraq will be 'unjust and illegal'
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 6, 2003 | BENNETT ROTH

WASHINGTON -- A Vatican envoy Wednesday carried the pope's message to the White House that a U.S.-led war against Iraq without United Nations' approval would be "unjust and illegal."

The stern words from Cardinal Pio Laghi, who met for 40 minutes with Bush, underscored the rift between the president, who considers himself a deeply religious man, and a number of Christian leaders over Iraq. Pope John Paul II has regularly preached against the war and asked Catholics worldwide to pray for peace and fast on Ash Wednesday.

Pope to Bush: Go into Iraq and you go without God
Capitol Hill Blue ^ | Mar 5, 2003 | CHB Staff and Wire Reports

Pope John Paul II has a strong message for President George W. Bush: God is not on your side if you invade Iraq. But the President is expected to tell the Pope's envoy that the leader of the world's Catholics is wrong.

The pope has said a war would be a "defeat for humanity" and that the conflict would be neither morally nor legally justified. He wants Iraq to be disarmed through methods short of military force.

Pope John Paul II may ask to personally address UN Security Council to stop Iraq war
AFP | March 3, 2003

Jean Paul II will ask to address personally to the Security Council of the United Nations if its message with the American president George W Bush does not convince it to give up a war against Iraq....

117 posted on 06/07/2004 8:14:06 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge; ninenot
You are NOT providing the pope's own words but the words of other Vatican officials and the distortions provided by news media with their own left propaganda axes to grind. Dr. Joaquin Navarro Walls is the pope's press spokesman. Euroweenie cardinals like Laghi and Martino are NOT. Navarro-Walls has repeatedly admonished the media for the distortions.

Speaking of ignorance, you are not Catholic. What do you know about the RCC, its Catechism, its Magisterium, etc.?

Paul VI once attacked the US as a perpetrator of "racist genocide" in Vietnam. This was not only factually a fantasy but it was also beyond his job description. If and when you ever familiarize yourself with the Catechism, publshed in 1983 or so, you will find that the decision to go to war must reside with a nation's leaders as the Church lacks the direct and comprehensive information to make a decision as to just war. The nation's leaders are directly responsible to God for the decisions made. You can also find a lot in the Catechism on the matter of homosexuality which is ALWAYS "inherently disordered" and NEVER morally permissible.

118 posted on 06/08/2004 11:10:23 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Jorge; BlackElk
Pope will scold Bush on Iraq, cardinal says

A supposition about the future. No direct quotations from the Pope are supplied.

Pope John Paul II has regularly preached against the war and asked Catholics worldwide to pray for peace and fast on Ash Wednesday.

You expect the Pope to serve as a cheerleader for war?

The pope has said a war would be a "defeat for humanity" and that the conflict would be neither morally nor legally justified. He wants Iraq to be disarmed through methods short of military force.

Of course, the direct quotation about 'moral/legal justification' is NOT provided.

You need to do a little better than to assemble a bunch of predictions, second- and third-party suppositions, and indirect quotations to "prove" that JPII said diddledy-squat.

119 posted on 06/08/2004 12:37:08 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Jorge; BlackElk
Pope will scold Bush on Iraq, cardinal says

A supposition about the future. No direct quotations from the Pope are supplied.

Pope John Paul II has regularly preached against the war and asked Catholics worldwide to pray for peace and fast on Ash Wednesday.

You expect the Pope to serve as a cheerleader for war?

The pope has said a war would be a "defeat for humanity" and that the conflict would be neither morally nor legally justified. He wants Iraq to be disarmed through methods short of military force.

Of course, the direct quotation about 'moral/legal justification' is NOT provided.

You need to do a little better than to assemble a bunch of predictions, second- and third-party suppositions, and indirect quotations to "prove" that JPII said diddledy-squat.

120 posted on 06/08/2004 12:37:33 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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