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Political Powder Keg: Has Religious Tolerance Gone Too Far?
CBN News ^ | June 3rd, 2004 | Melissa Charbonneau

Posted on 06/03/2004 3:25:50 PM PDT by missyme

HAMTRAMCK, Michigan -- Hamtramck, Michigan is a blue-collar town surrounded by the city of Detroit. Its downtown storefronts reflect the diversity of immigrants who settled here. But an influx of immigrants from the Middle East has transformed Hamtramck from a melting pot into a political powder keg. New Muslim residents are adopting American habits, driving SUVs and talking on cell phones. But many still cling to old customs, wearing traditional dress, and shopping at markets that sell "halal," or meat slaughtered according to Islamic law. Now one Bangladeshi mosque wants to revive a controversial ritual.

The Islamic call to prayer is a 1,400-year-old tradition, sung in most U.S. mosques within the walls. But the Al Islah Islamic Center says they should be able to broadcast over public loudspeakers in Arabic, five times a day, from 6am to 10pm.

The call to prayer states, "Allah is great…Mohammed is Allah's prophet…come to prayer. There is no god but Allah."

Mosque president Ahmed Motlib asked the city's permission to broadcast from rooftop loudspeakers. Motlib says, "Some people, they don't know what time is our congregation, only for congregation coming and participating. That's why we want to call prayer outside."

But the request has split the community. Hundreds signed a petition to block the broadcasts as a public annoyance.

Hamtramck resident Jerry Radziszewski says, "To me, this is disturbing the peace. They understand what it is. We don't. To us it's just a bunch of noise."

Mosque supporters say the Azan can already be heard from mosques in nearby Detroit No different, they say, from Christian church bells.

Motlib comments, "Azan is only two minutes, less than two minutes is noise. Every hour church bell, more than five minutes their bell make belling. So we don't feel anything bad."

Bob Zwollack is a former city clerk who led the petition drive. He says it is an issue of noise.

"Even if they got up on their towers and did it like they did 1,400 years ago," says Zwollack, "where you just had a call to prayer like before, there's not a problem. Who's going to object to that? Yes, they have a right to free speech, but the overall objection was an amplified sound, amplified religious statement."

But the dispute has escalated into a national controversy over religious freedom. The press converged on heated city council meetings, which exploded with calls for tolerance and charges of discrimination.

Hafiz Mohammed of the Islamic Association of Michigan, says, "Those people who are opposing Azan, our position is not a new phenomenon. They are racist! "

Council member Scott Klein says, "The folks I've seen leading this have nothing on the boys from Montgomery, the boys from Birmingham, the boys from Mississippi."

Hamtramck resident Bob Golen protests, "I am not a racist! My wife is not a racist."

Joanna and Bob Golen are life-long residents of this neighborhood, now largely owned by Bangladeshi newcomers. The Golens say they have been demonized for signing the petition.

Bob Golen says, "I don't tell them to believe in Jesus, I don't want them to tell me to believe in Mohommed. The call to prayer is fine, but don't evangelize me where I can't turn you off five times a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. They're going to tell me their god is the only true god? I don't have to listen to that."

The Golens say the mosque is forcing a foreign religion right onto their front porch, proselytizing on public airwaves.

Joanne Golen says, "Why is it wrong for them to practice their religion the way they want to? They can do it any way they want in their mosque, like we do in our churches, in their homes, like we do. I can even sit on my porch and pray silently. I'm all for them practicing their religion, but I do not want to hear over loudspeakers their god being praised in my ears five times a day."


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: cbn; hamtramck; muslimamericans; tolerance
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To: freeangel
Make that "read the bible" over loudspeakers five times a day. I'm thinking the aclu would be all over that one.

COUNT ON THAT

41 posted on 06/04/2004 5:39:07 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: missyme

The sound of church bells in the distance remains one of my absolute favorite sounds. It's a shame that they will be heard less and less in the wake of PC-dom.


42 posted on 06/04/2004 6:17:25 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Are you a VETERAN voting for Kerry? Remember: The grass is always greener over the septic tank!)
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To: Mat_Helm
I have a backyard neighbor that plays load arabic music that sounds like cats in heat.

So do I, only they live up the street. And it does indeed sound like that...and I love most types of music.

Just a small thing from a child of the '80s....not Deaf Leappord, Def Leppard. And I like your idea. I think, though, that I will substitute Petra. (Christian Rock)

;-)

43 posted on 06/04/2004 6:20:53 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Are you a VETERAN voting for Kerry? Remember: The grass is always greener over the septic tank!)
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To: MarkL
Re your Post #37...

BINGO!

46 posted on 06/04/2004 6:37:05 AM PDT by Gritty ("Equality is unacceptable to Islam. The non-believer cannot be the equal of the believer-Amir Taheri)
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To: missyme
How interview really went down. . .

Hafiz Mohammed of the Islamic Association of Michigan: "Those people who are opposing Azan, our position is not a new phenomenon. They are. . ."

Aside to a companion,"Habib, What is that word to manipulate the American infidels?"

Habib: "Racist, my Imam".

Hafiz Mohammed: "They are RACIST!".

47 posted on 06/04/2004 6:44:29 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell; Gritty; Sabertooth

ALLAHU AKBAR! is the "Muslim Call to Murder."

Just ask Nick Berg, Danny Pearl, or the other millions of infidels who heard those words screamed at them as their throats were cut.

48 posted on 06/04/2004 10:33:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
"ALLAHU AKBAR! is the "Muslim Call to Murder."

Prayer. Murder. For "Allah", what's the difference?

One is reminded of "Molech" in the Old Testament, who required human sacrifice as part of worship.

But then, we are talking here about the same god here, are we not?

49 posted on 06/04/2004 11:03:48 AM PDT by Gritty ("The terrorists who attacked on 9/11 were not protesting our policies but our existence-GW Bush)
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To: missyme

I have no doubt of exactly what you mean and I don't find it either amusing or righteous. I've seen too many dead people (Muslims, btw) who were murdered by armed majoritarians.


50 posted on 06/04/2004 11:18:43 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (truth is truth)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Why do you not know that the 1st Amendment is a prohibition against the federal legislative and executive branches from legislating laws and executing those laws to eliminate or chill free speech, specifically political speech?

51 posted on 06/04/2004 11:33:41 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: missyme
Don't be a dweeb you know what I mean...

It's not his fault, he really appears to have been born that way. Of course, it's quite true that he works overtime at it on top of it all, but you know what I mean.

52 posted on 06/04/2004 11:47:43 AM PDT by FormerLib (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: Gritty

Indeed, the black moon-rock god allah.


53 posted on 06/04/2004 3:29:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: missyme
"Some people, they don't know what time is our congregation, only for congregation coming and participating. That's why we want to call prayer outside."

Hey...there's a new invention out there...perhaps you've heard of it.

It's called a CLOCK!

54 posted on 06/04/2004 3:33:27 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: missyme
Hafiz Mohammed of the Islamic Association of Michigan, says, "Those people who are opposing Azan, our position is not a new phenomenon. They are racist!"

No Mohammed, they just don't want a murderous cult to spread it's demented message over public loudspeakers 5 times a day.

Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....

55 posted on 06/05/2004 9:54:37 AM PDT by PsyOp (A nation can survive its fools…. But it cannot survive treason from within. – Cicero.)
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To: William Terrell
Amendment I to the Constitution of the United States: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Through the passing of Amendment XIV, the above is fully enforceable to all states and local governments.

To prohibit Islamic calls to prayer is a clear violation of the Constitution.

I giss yu'll just have to live with the fact that them there aaaa-rabs will have the same rights as you.

56 posted on 06/05/2004 12:44:18 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (truth is truth)
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To: William Terrell

Just to be clear: it specifically protects RELIGIOUS speech:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

A call to prayer is a pretty clear "free exercise" of religion. End of story.


57 posted on 06/05/2004 12:52:11 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (truth is truth)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Many of the first 10 amendments are applicable to the state. However, the 1st Amendment is a prohibition against government agencies from chilling free speech, and certainly has nothing to do with instituting a form of speech which is routinely denied to others.

Would you also be in support of public address systems broadcasting the Christian daily prayer over the same medium? Let me guess. You'll say it's an alert, whereas daily prayer is a religious message.

59 posted on 06/05/2004 1:16:24 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
A call to prayer is a pretty clear "free exercise" of religion. End of story.

So is a daily call to Christian prayer, which will certainly not be allowed. Judge Roy Moore would be glad to hear your interpretation.

60 posted on 06/05/2004 1:19:14 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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