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Political Powder Keg: Has Religious Tolerance Gone Too Far?
CBN News ^ | June 3rd, 2004 | Melissa Charbonneau

Posted on 06/03/2004 3:25:50 PM PDT by missyme

HAMTRAMCK, Michigan -- Hamtramck, Michigan is a blue-collar town surrounded by the city of Detroit. Its downtown storefronts reflect the diversity of immigrants who settled here. But an influx of immigrants from the Middle East has transformed Hamtramck from a melting pot into a political powder keg. New Muslim residents are adopting American habits, driving SUVs and talking on cell phones. But many still cling to old customs, wearing traditional dress, and shopping at markets that sell "halal," or meat slaughtered according to Islamic law. Now one Bangladeshi mosque wants to revive a controversial ritual.

The Islamic call to prayer is a 1,400-year-old tradition, sung in most U.S. mosques within the walls. But the Al Islah Islamic Center says they should be able to broadcast over public loudspeakers in Arabic, five times a day, from 6am to 10pm.

The call to prayer states, "Allah is great…Mohammed is Allah's prophet…come to prayer. There is no god but Allah."

Mosque president Ahmed Motlib asked the city's permission to broadcast from rooftop loudspeakers. Motlib says, "Some people, they don't know what time is our congregation, only for congregation coming and participating. That's why we want to call prayer outside."

But the request has split the community. Hundreds signed a petition to block the broadcasts as a public annoyance.

Hamtramck resident Jerry Radziszewski says, "To me, this is disturbing the peace. They understand what it is. We don't. To us it's just a bunch of noise."

Mosque supporters say the Azan can already be heard from mosques in nearby Detroit No different, they say, from Christian church bells.

Motlib comments, "Azan is only two minutes, less than two minutes is noise. Every hour church bell, more than five minutes their bell make belling. So we don't feel anything bad."

Bob Zwollack is a former city clerk who led the petition drive. He says it is an issue of noise.

"Even if they got up on their towers and did it like they did 1,400 years ago," says Zwollack, "where you just had a call to prayer like before, there's not a problem. Who's going to object to that? Yes, they have a right to free speech, but the overall objection was an amplified sound, amplified religious statement."

But the dispute has escalated into a national controversy over religious freedom. The press converged on heated city council meetings, which exploded with calls for tolerance and charges of discrimination.

Hafiz Mohammed of the Islamic Association of Michigan, says, "Those people who are opposing Azan, our position is not a new phenomenon. They are racist! "

Council member Scott Klein says, "The folks I've seen leading this have nothing on the boys from Montgomery, the boys from Birmingham, the boys from Mississippi."

Hamtramck resident Bob Golen protests, "I am not a racist! My wife is not a racist."

Joanna and Bob Golen are life-long residents of this neighborhood, now largely owned by Bangladeshi newcomers. The Golens say they have been demonized for signing the petition.

Bob Golen says, "I don't tell them to believe in Jesus, I don't want them to tell me to believe in Mohommed. The call to prayer is fine, but don't evangelize me where I can't turn you off five times a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. They're going to tell me their god is the only true god? I don't have to listen to that."

The Golens say the mosque is forcing a foreign religion right onto their front porch, proselytizing on public airwaves.

Joanne Golen says, "Why is it wrong for them to practice their religion the way they want to? They can do it any way they want in their mosque, like we do in our churches, in their homes, like we do. I can even sit on my porch and pray silently. I'm all for them practicing their religion, but I do not want to hear over loudspeakers their god being praised in my ears five times a day."


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Michigan
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones

Even if I were to grant, as true, the arbitrary percentage you state, how would you explain the huge popularity of Al Jazeera among Arabs in this country?


141 posted on 06/07/2004 8:07:46 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Even if I were to grant, as true, the arbitrary percentage you state, how would you explain the huge popularity of Al Jazeera among Arabs in this country?>>

The fact that Al Jazeera transmit in their native language.

I think the word "duh" needs to be emphasized here.


142 posted on 06/07/2004 8:10:57 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (ttruth is truth)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones

The Klan?! Hehe! Now I know you're a troll.


143 posted on 06/07/2004 8:11:34 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Laugh. The Klan burned down my Grandmother's church.

You may have heard of it. The Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, Michigan.

It later became home of a Catholic equivalent to a Klansman, Father Charles Coughlin, whom I also despise.


144 posted on 06/07/2004 8:14:26 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (ttruth is truth)
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To: MarkL
It's a way to demonstrate their political power, and probably to intimidate the "infidels" too

Darn it. I was hoping to deliver the punchline as I was reading your post...but you
already had it.

They took the Christian and Jewish shrines of the Middle East.
They're coming to take the ones of North America as well.
145 posted on 06/07/2004 8:15:34 PM PDT by VOA
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

The fact that I am actually arguing the right of an unpopular (yet perfectly legal) religion to be practiced in the United States shows that the ghost of the Klan lives, indeed thrives, right here. If you can't see it, look in a mirror.


146 posted on 06/07/2004 8:16:04 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (ttruth is truth)
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To: VOA

They're coming to take the ones of North America as well.

OHMYGOD! YOU'RE TELLING ME MARS NEEDS OUR WOMEN!!!?!!?!


147 posted on 06/07/2004 8:16:56 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (ttruth is truth)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
So even though Al-Jazeera continually broadcasts news with a decidedly anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti Zionist slant, you believe that this has no effect on all the Arabic speaking people in this country? Don't take my word for it.

Al-Jazeera

148 posted on 06/07/2004 8:22:04 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Look, they could be howling for the immediate and complete nuclear destruction of the United States. How does that justify burning down the neighborhood mosque?


149 posted on 06/07/2004 8:23:10 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (ttruth is truth)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones

I should add that the North Koreans have been howling precisely that for 50 years, and yet I don't see you calling for Koreans to be shipped back overseas. Or do you?


150 posted on 06/07/2004 8:24:11 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (ttruth is truth)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones

"OHMYGOD! YOU'RE TELLING ME MARS NEEDS OUR WOMEN!!!?!!?!"

Congratulations for being so far ahead of the curve. I'd never heard anyone even imply that
Muslims are from Mars.
Guess I'll have to check the JPL/NASA websites.


151 posted on 06/07/2004 8:27:42 PM PDT by VOA
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To: missyme
Has Religious Tolerance Gone Too Far? Let's ask France...

Honestly, this city council should be tossed out on their ears. In their bending into pretzels to show love of "diversity," they have created a storm. And SHOULD have known it would happen. Leave it to liberals to make a big mess. The answer to the loud prayer call request should have been a resounding NO from the beginning. Because it is a NOISE issue.
152 posted on 06/07/2004 8:32:57 PM PDT by Libertina (Reagan showed us what being a great president was all about. Thank you sir for bringing pride!)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Sorry to hear about your grandma's church, but I would have stopped it if it had been within my power. I have no use for the Klan, but I also have no use for black extremist groups like Farrakhan's NOI, or the Black Panthers, et al. Get off your high horse and use the gift of a good mind granted you by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The religion of Islam is an enemy to the freedom we enjoy in this great country. If you don't believe me, check out the state of affairs for the ordinary citizen in any Arab nation in the Middle East.

153 posted on 06/07/2004 8:34:06 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones

Did I advocate the destruction of a mosque? Or the killing of Muslims living in this country?


154 posted on 06/07/2004 8:35:12 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: missyme

When they allow Christian Missionaries to witness on the streets of Rahed, Tehran and Baghdad the Mozzis can broadcast their call to prayer.


155 posted on 06/07/2004 8:38:04 PM PDT by oyez (¡Desea vivo el revolutuin de Reagan!)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Have North Koreans set up shop in American neighborhoods and begun distributing anti-American propaganda? Do the North Koreans have a government funded television network that broadcasts via satellite around the world? Does the North Korean government sponsor a state religion that boasts millions of adherents throughout the world? The answer each time is 'No'. However, by substituting 'Muslim' or 'Islam' for 'North Korean' would return an answer of 'Yes' each time.

Please stop the fumbling and grasping at straws, and present a coherent argument.

156 posted on 06/07/2004 8:52:48 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: oyez

Spot on, oyez. However, I have heard that thanks to the efforts of our military, there is a small window of opportunity open in Baghdad for Christian missionaries. Only God knows how long that window will remain open, and I am sure the danger is considerable, but there is an opportunity nonetheless.


157 posted on 06/07/2004 8:56:42 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Geist Krieger
Speaking of Muhammed Hitler.....

ALLAHU AKBAR! = HEIL HITLER!

MEIN KORAN = MEIN KAMPF

158 posted on 06/07/2004 11:08:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
99.9% of Muslims don't want anything to do with killing you or me.

Oh, really now? Couldn't you say the same about Germans or Japanese in 1942?

159 posted on 06/07/2004 11:11:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: oyez
"Allahu Akbar" is not the Muslim "call to prayer" despite their lies, intended to gull the infidels while they sharpen their scimitars.

"Allahu Akbar" is the Muslim call to murder.

Just ask Nick Berg, Danny Pearl, or the other millions who had to hear the Muslim call to murder as their throats were slit in the name of their insane moon-god.

160 posted on 06/07/2004 11:14:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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