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Car Owners Turning to Vegetable Oil as Cleaner, Cheaper Fuel Alternative
AP ^ | June 3, 2004

Posted on 06/03/2004 11:17:03 AM PDT by nuconvert

Car Owners Turning to Vegetable Oil as Cleaner, Cheaper Fuel Alternative

By Laura Walsh/Associated Press

Jun 3, 2004 WESTON, Conn. (AP) - As car owners across the country grapple with pumped-up gas prices, some are turning to their favorite restaurants for a solution: recycled vegetable oil. Environmentalists with diesel cars have used vegetable oil for years as an alternative fuel to cut back on sooty emissions, but as gas prices soar above $2 a gallon, they say their "veggie cars" are a great way to save cash.

Every two weeks, Etta Kantor drives to a local Chinese restaurant to fuel her blue Volkswagen Jetta. She calls ahead and the owner puts aside a few buckets of used oil for her. At home, Kantor uses a colander and a bag filter to remove water and any food particles.

The vegetable oil is then poured into a 15-gallon tank in the back of her Jetta, where a spare tire would usually be kept. With a touch of a button located above the radio, Kantor can switch from diesel fuel to vegetable oil in seconds.

"Oh, I zip around town, go fast on highways. It's not any different," said Kantor, 58, of Weston.

Restaurants that would have to pay to get rid of their old vegetable oil are happy to give it away for free.

"It saves us a couple of dollars and it helps to save the environment a bit so I thought, 'Why not?'" said Shawn Reilly, a co-owner of Eli's On Whitney, a restaurant in Hamden.

Reilly estimates it costs as much as $60 a month to have the oil removed otherwise.

Bridgeport resident Aaron Schlechter says he picks up about 30 or 40 gallons twice a month from Eli's. He uses it to fuel his car for his 170-mile commute every day to his job as an environmental consultant in Staten Island, N.Y.

"The only way that I can assuage my guilt by driving this awful distance is by driving something that isn't consuming fossil fuels and has much more environmentally friendly emissions," Schlechter said.

Vegetable oil is becoming so popular that a Massachusetts company called Greasecar is buying it in bulk from a distributor and selling it to local customers. It's priced at 90 cents a gallon, said company founder Justin Carven.

Since 2001, Greasecar has also been selling conversion kits, like the one in Kantor's car, that allow diesel cars to run on the recycled oil. About 200 kits were sold in the past year, Carven said. A standard conversion kit sells for $800 at Greasecar.

"Once you install it, though, you are saving hundreds and hundreds of dollars," Carven said. "The product usually pays for itself within the first year."

Cars that have a conversion kit have two fuel systems, one that operates on diesel and the other on the recycled oil. The car is stopped and started with diesel; once it's running, the vegetable oil is heated to make it thinner. The driver can then switch fuel systems and the recycled oil is sprayed into the engine in the same way diesel fuel is.

The kit only works on diesel engines because vegetable oil is not flammable enough to work in gasoline engines that are spark-ignited.

Liquid Solar in Ithaca, N.Y., has contracts with a few local restaurants to collect their used vegetable oil. And in Santa Rosa, Calif., a group of 50 people have formed a co-op to buy oil in bulk from a local manufacturer and then filter it for their own use.

Although the Environmental Protection Agency has approved vegetable-based biodiesel, which is also gaining in popularity, it hasn't OK'd any recycled oil for sale, said Christine Sansevero, an environmental engineer for EPA.

"You just don't know what's in that oil," she said. "There could be metals, other chemicals that, when burned, could create something you didn't intend to burn. It could also be fine, but it's an unknown."

Biodiesel is a fuel derived from plant oil or animal fat, Sansevero said. It can be used in pure form but it is often blended with regular diesel. The most common form is B20 - a blend of 20 percent biodiesel and 80 percent petroleum diesel.

Veggie car owners agree that biodiesel is another renewable fuel source, but say it isn't as cost effective or eco-friendly. Pure biodiesel costs about $1 more per gallon than diesel, Sansevero said. B20 costs about 20 cents more per gallon than diesel, she said.

The trend is catching on, especially for those who have a distance to drive.

The Healing Waters Band had a Greasecar conversion kit installed in its bus for a recent seven-week tour across the country. The band used a blended biodiesel mix to start and stop the engine, and vegetable oil for the rest.

The band left its hometown of San Diego on a full tank of vegetable oil and then filled up again at a Chinese restaurant in Missouri before buying 500 gallons during a stop at Greasecar in Massachusetts.

"We only spent $200 that would have normally cost us about $1,200, and we probably could have done it all for free if we kept stopping (at restaurants)," said Tony Thorpe, a bassist and vocalist for the band.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biodiesel; cars; deisel; energy; environment; oil; veggiecar; vegoil
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1 posted on 06/03/2004 11:17:05 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

Does this mean I can dump my 'Presto Fry Daddy' in the gas tank to save a few bucks?


2 posted on 06/03/2004 11:26:30 AM PDT by zencat (Visit my profile for MAGNETIC Bush/Cheney '04 bumper stickers!)
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To: nuconvert

The only problem with that Chinese oil is that an hour after you fill up your tank is empty again...............


3 posted on 06/03/2004 11:27:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (HAVA NAGILA........OR TWO OR THREE......THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL..............)
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To: nuconvert

No War for Wesson!


4 posted on 06/03/2004 11:29:29 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: zencat

Only if your car or truck is a DIESEL.......Otherwise you'll have a real mess on your hands.........


5 posted on 06/03/2004 11:30:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (HAVA NAGILA........OR TWO OR THREE......THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL..............)
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To: GSWarrior

My car has got that certain WESSON-ALITY..........


6 posted on 06/03/2004 11:31:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (HAVA NAGILA........OR TWO OR THREE......THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL..............)
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To: nuconvert

Wouldn't a 44 MPG Honda Civic make more sense?


7 posted on 06/03/2004 11:33:26 AM PDT by ambrose (AP Headline: "Kerry Says His 'Family' Owns SUV, Not He")
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To: nuconvert

I used greasy chinese food to power my bicycle all through college.


8 posted on 06/03/2004 11:34:47 AM PDT by jtminton (Ever notice that Al Qaeda, Al Jazeera, and Al Gore all have the same first name?)
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To: zencat

> Does this mean I can dump my 'Presto Fry Daddy'
> in the gas tank to save a few bucks?

Yes, but not in the "gas" tank, and only after converting
the grease to diesel fuel with the help of some lye and
methanol. And much of the savings is due to no highway
fuel tax. And what's your time worth?

Bio-diesel is worth doing, if only to use up what is
otherwise waste oil. But there isn't enough waste oil
(or surplus oilseed crop) to make it a major industry.
And running pure BD has risks, as it can attack the
plastics used in fuel systems.

On an industrial scale, BD could be used to stretch the
supply of petro-diesel.

I run a diesel car, but have never run BD in it
(mainly because there isn't any available around here,
but also due to warranty concerns - I might try it
after the warranty expires).


9 posted on 06/03/2004 11:36:30 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: Red Badger
Direct to the tank?

I thought you had to very thoroughly mix the oil with lye, wait a day, then skim off the glycerin, THEN you could run a diesel on it.

10 posted on 06/03/2004 11:37:51 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Red Badger

Even if your engine is a diesel, mine is, you would have to be a real nut to stick veggie oil in the tank. Do you know what a diesel engine costs to rebuild?

BTW diesel is about a $1.80 a gallon around here, not the $2.10 that regular is.

I will bet you there is far more to the boutique gas cost adder that refineries are being forced to pass on than anyone in government will tell you about..


11 posted on 06/03/2004 11:39:17 AM PDT by snooker (John Flipping Kerry, the enemy's choice in Vietnam, the enemy's choice in Iraq.)
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To: nuconvert
The only drawback is the cholesterol that builds up in the gas lines...causing blockages.

;^>
12 posted on 06/03/2004 11:43:02 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: nuconvert

There is enough used cooking oil to power about six cars and one 18-wheeler per day per city. Won't be free for long.


13 posted on 06/03/2004 11:43:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: nuconvert

Wouldn't it be illegal, because you are not paying the highway fuel tax on it. Similar to people who use home heating oil to run their diesel cars or trucks. Home heating oil is cheaper. That is why home heating oil has a different color to it.


14 posted on 06/03/2004 11:47:30 AM PDT by Frankss
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To: FrankR
Actually, there's no cholesterol in vegetable oil.

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15 posted on 06/03/2004 11:47:34 AM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: nuconvert

I posted this story a couple of weeks ago and it was "moved to chat" where the thread died a quick death.

Good luck.


16 posted on 06/03/2004 11:49:53 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: jtminton

LoL


17 posted on 06/03/2004 11:50:41 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: jtminton

Funny tagline


18 posted on 06/03/2004 11:52:56 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert

bump for soybean oil


19 posted on 06/03/2004 11:54:56 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Boundless

Seems to me, this could be a good opportunity to reduce dependence on OPEC oil, one worth pursuing. A renewable energy source, produced by American farmers (producing more jobs!), burns cleaner, is cheaper, don't need to drill "in pristine environments", no oil tanker accidents, etc. It's all good!


20 posted on 06/03/2004 11:55:02 AM PDT by antiliberal (www.morseforcongress.com; Say buh-bye to Barney Frank!)
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