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1 posted on 06/03/2004 9:28:26 AM PDT by qam1
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2 posted on 06/03/2004 9:34:38 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry)
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To: qam1
Every American feels that they're entitled to the best health care and cost is no consideration.

BINGO! That says a lot...

3 posted on 06/03/2004 9:36:23 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry)
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4 posted on 06/03/2004 9:41:09 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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Lamm, who has long been a proponent of euthanasia, said in 1984 that the elderly had a moral obligation to society to die ("duty to die") so as not to use up resources that could be used for younger people.


5 posted on 06/03/2004 9:41:49 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; malakhi; m18436572; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details.

6 posted on 06/03/2004 9:44:54 AM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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"As many as 18,000 people died last year because of lack of health insurance."

When I hear anyone make such an incongruent, dubious, and unveriable remark, as listed above, their credibility to speak intelligently and rationally about a topic is instantly destroyed.

7 posted on 06/03/2004 10:04:44 AM PDT by tahiti
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The answer (in my opinion) is NOT universal healthcare & rationing - but to ditch health insurance / HMOs all together.

It seems to me like the quality of service has gone down-hill since the "guaranteed payment" w/ deductible came around. If people have to pay out of their own pockets, they will become choosier, and there ARE doctors who will step up to the plate, and offer services to the poor at reduced rates - with out government intervention.

This "Our health-care system has gone running technologically amuck" says a lot to me in other words, they are living on the bleeding edge of technology - which (as far as electronics / pcs goes) is a bad thing.


9 posted on 06/03/2004 10:29:25 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (www.proudbushie.com - support Pres Bush)
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To: qam1

The whole problem - other than giving away health care to those who don't pay for it - is that we live too dang long!

Let's go back to the old days when we lived 'til the ripe old age of 25 - then we'll see a blessed change!


10 posted on 06/03/2004 10:37:43 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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I'm looking you in the eye and telling you I don't think you deserve a heart transplant if you're over 75. You just don't. We had 70,000 women give birth last year without adequate prenatal care.

There is the mind of a social engineer at work. I'm wondering: why should my 99 year old grandmother consume precious blood pressure medicine?

14 posted on 06/03/2004 11:11:58 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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So we have to look generally at this broader picture of how we retire the baby boomers.

Who is we? The board of directors at Soylent Green, Inc?

21 posted on 06/03/2004 3:29:51 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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"For all its technological marvels, he says, American health care is "unsustainable, unaffordable, and inequitable, and needs to be substantially amended and revised."

BS. The *only* reason we have *any* "problems" now is because there is just enough *socialist/Nazi* flim-flam going on in medical services now. We do not have a perfect capitalist system in place in medicine. Yet capitalism continues to be blamed for the problems - rather than all the garbage commie ideas that have spread in it for decades now.

Here's an example. HMOs were beloved of Democrats 10 years ago. Because they were all concerned about price (NOT cost), and they were a little microcosm of their socialist-paradise ideals. "Pay nothing", Wait for months for an appt, and get any old doctor they want to put up for you.

Now, the Democrats are treating HMOs like any other "corporation" - oh, those horrible, corrupt, greedy HMOs!!! The reason they don't work is because of their commie roots. But suddenly Demos try to equate them to any old "Big Business" they *naturally* hate.

No mention, BTW, of "we were wrong". You'd think they never wanted HMOs in the 1st place.


22 posted on 06/04/2004 10:18:44 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue)
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