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Mark Steyn: Reality check
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 06/05/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/03/2004 6:02:21 AM PDT by Pokey78

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41 posted on 06/03/2004 10:49:10 AM PDT by knighthawk (Some people say that we'll get nowhere at all, let 'em tear down the world but we ain't gonna fall)
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To: Brad Cloven

Unfortunately, I'm sure that plan has our troops going in and seizing the Saudi oil fields and maintaining an armed presence at all costs, while our so called European and Asian allies (along with the gutless POS United Nations)sit back and spill no blood or expense.

But these so-called allies will demand the booty and show no appreciation for our efforts, like the ingrates they have always been, and we'll bend over backwards to placate them, IMHO.


42 posted on 06/03/2004 10:53:38 AM PDT by wrathof59 (semper ubi sub ubi)
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To: 91B

I don't have your faith that air power alone can stop modern mechanized manuever. And I think your hope is misplaced.


43 posted on 06/03/2004 11:05:41 AM PDT by blanknoone (Hope is not a method.)
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To: wrathof59

If we are forced to secure the oil fields, we should mandate a 'security fee' on every barrel of oil loaded onto tankers not bound for the US. I think $5/bbl would be appropriate. They'll chip in, like it or not.


44 posted on 06/03/2004 11:21:23 AM PDT by blanknoone (Hope is not a method.)
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To: blanknoone

Just ask the Iraqis how hard it is to maneuver mechanized columns under air attack. They got a hard lesson in 1991 and as a result they hardly even tried to do so again last year. I am unconcerned that whatever force the jihadis could muster would be able to even come close to conquering our allies in the region.


45 posted on 06/03/2004 12:00:08 PM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the ping, Pokey.

Steyn's insights are astounding -- great read.


46 posted on 06/03/2004 12:00:44 PM PDT by RottiBiz (Help end Freepathons -- become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Pokey78
A damned if we do, damned if we don't post from Steyn.

Might as well go down swinging instead of like poor Nick Berg. Count me in.

47 posted on 06/03/2004 12:22:56 PM PDT by SquirrelKing ("I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion." - Maxine Waters (D - California)
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To: Agent Smith
The real question do we have the brains and will to implement them.

Of course we do.

48 posted on 06/03/2004 12:32:19 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: 91B

We are talking about some rinky dink countries. They could get tanks from the border to the airports inside of 2 hours. That is a far cry from manuevering against major US forces in central Iraq. I don't doubt that the air force could inflict damage. I do doubt they could stop them. The air force's best capability is against soft logistic targets...they wouldn't even need to bring logistics to the fight...it would be over before they needed gas. The Air Force just isn't very good at killing tanks except for A-10's, which are very vulnerable to SAMs. At least enough tanks would make it to the POMCUS and air bases to devastate whatever is there.


49 posted on 06/03/2004 1:38:06 PM PDT by blanknoone (Hope is not a method.)
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To: blanknoone

Not even close. When their supply lines started getting hammered they would have to withdraw. I've been to Qatar, I was stationed at As Sayliyah, that narrow peninsula has a couple of really good choke points (and its not like the Qataris would just be sitting back doing nothing). An attack on the UAE would force the new saudi army to extend its supply lines even further and would leave them vulnerable from a counterattack from us on their flank. I am not at all worried that a jihadi army would sweep the Arabian peninsula. Anyone who has observed any Arab army in action knows how truly pathetic they really are.


50 posted on 06/03/2004 4:49:22 PM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: Pokey78
....advocating the dismantling of Saudi Arabia....

Yeah, I think I could support that. It's high time our secret enemies are brought out in the open. It's time to end the B. S.

51 posted on 06/03/2004 5:22:28 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Agent Smith
The real question do we have the brains and will to implement them.

Given that the president and Vice-President both have an intimate understanding of the oil business and world energy markets, you bet your ass we do.

And, given the utter ignorance of the left, you can bet that Kerry never would.

52 posted on 06/03/2004 6:28:37 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Pokey78
quidnunc: A one person crusade to destroy Mark Steyn

Pokey78: worthy of Steyn.

Thanks.

53 posted on 06/03/2004 7:45:05 PM PDT by irv
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To: Rummyfan
We need to make it fall the right way.

The statement I'm about to make would make every liberal, and some on this forum, faint dead away. However, I'll say it anyway.

At some point, maybe sooner than later the way this Saudi thing is boiling over, the U.S. will have to go in - as in "D-Day" go in - meaning years of planning and massive committment - and simply take out the entire region. The oil fields & total power CANNOT be allowed to fall into the hands of these Moose Limb whacko's.

That's all there is to it. Period. End of story. We are going to have to take over.

54 posted on 06/03/2004 8:43:13 PM PDT by PLK
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To: Pokey78

bump!


55 posted on 06/03/2004 9:21:57 PM PDT by sunshine state
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To: Pokey78

The smartest thing Abdullah could do is to pin this on Nayef's incompetence. He could even make it a religous thing if he wants. He could say that Nayef has failed to protect the kingdom and failed God. That would work.


56 posted on 06/03/2004 10:08:40 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Pokey78

bttt


57 posted on 06/04/2004 12:35:49 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades...And panties!)
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To: 91B
With the operations in Iraq and the ever increasing pressure on Syria and Iran we are trying to strangle them rather than hit them with an axe. The problem, of course is the fact that results are not instantaneous and the other enemy back home may cause the operation to be aborted before the results are in. And if we have to "suffer" from the lack of oil for a few years that gives AQ a great window for mischief. We will not knock out the Wahhabis or AQ by smacking down Arabia.

We will set them back a bit but if we are unable to respond rapidly and massively to situations because we lack the oil then we lose the little control we have in Pakistan and we lose authority in Korea and around Taiwan. China will be hurting for oil, too but if the Chinese Reds think that they can take Taiwan and push US out of Asia with one great spasm, they will do that and we will have to use nukes if we can muster the will. If Kerry or Mrs. Bill is pres and we are taking 911 hits at home we will but probably not judiciously. I don't count on W or a Republican followup doing it at all.

58 posted on 06/04/2004 4:31:57 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: PLK

Sounds good to me!


59 posted on 06/04/2004 5:53:40 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: arthurus
If Kerry or Mrs. Bill is pres and we are taking 911 hits at home we will but probably not judiciously. I don't count on W or a Republican followup doing it at all.

Why do you believe Kerry or Hillary would be more likely to use nukes than a Republican?

60 posted on 06/04/2004 7:30:13 AM PDT by benjaminthomas
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