Neoconned?

WBAL AM Radio 1090 Baltimore ^ | Posted: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 | Ron Smith

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but one that is deteriorating more each day

It is? Could have fooled me. I guess I was dreaming that it has been over a week since a GI has been KIA'ed, and a dream that the first post-Saddam President has been chosen.

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I get sick when I hear people say "If you don't support Bush, the terrorists win!...or..."How dare you criticize the President...We're at war!"

I get sick when I read stupid articles like this from people who claim to be Conservatives, but are really only lapdogs for our Arab Muslim enemies.

[MEG33]

Why?

[editor-surveyor]

"They refuse to admit that no Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found in Iraq, even though their champions in Washington, the President and his advisers have made no claim to the contrary."

This statement alone is sufficient reason to withdraw all credence from this source.

[RebelBanker]

I meant to say shorthand "description," not "label." Sorry, my bad. Perhaps I am have not done a very good job of explaining what I am trying to say. Let me try this again:

I believe that Ron Smith generally has the same set of beliefs as Pat Buchanan and thus often uses Pat's columns and so forth as source material for his own columns and shows. Again, they appear to be on the same sheet of music in terms of domestic policies, trade policy and philosophy regarding the use of military force. I realize that Ron may or may not be a political supporter of Pat Buchanan, but I characterized him as a "Buchananite" based on the shared set of beliefs and/or philosophies.

If that characterization is not accurate, please let me know where there is a significant divergence of opinion between these two gentlemen. I am not trying to be rude or obstinate, just gain better insight. Thanks for your patience.

Deo Vindice!

[DaGman]

"Taking this attitude to its logical conclusion would be to ban free speech."

Should Bush lose the White House and if the unthinkable happen and the loyal opposition takes back control of Congress, the neocons can rightfully be accused of driving traditional GOP voters to the Democrats. No one likes to be told to sit down and shut up if they don't agree especially when voters don't have to belong to the GOP. Of course the neocons would never see it that way. They would go to their graves believing they were right and 50+ million Americans were wrong. Many moderates wonder who's the sane person in the insane asylum.

Right, wrong or indifferent, America is by nature a nation of moderates. If the pendulum swings too far left or right it will return to the center. It swung extremely left in the 60's. Its swung extremely right now. The past is prologue.

[MEG33]

What indicates to you that we have swung "extremely right" in this country?...I don't see it. The press /media is liberal/left by a large majority...The Professors at universities are majority left/liberal.

I am more "moderate" than some on this board, consider myself a conservative and do not see the government or the President as "extremely right"...I am not a new conservative though some call anyone for the war in Iraq neo conservative...or Nazis, jackbooted thugs, not "true" conservatives, or the ultimate "statists". Then there's the Taliban right ...new talking point by the dems.

I am puzzled by your post.

[Captain Rabbit]

They proudly state they will not vote for an imperfect Dubya when they know the choice is Dubya or Kerry. They have a right to their opinion, and I have a right to think their opinion is dumb.

I'm not stating that I will not vote for GWB. His recent demands for cuts in the federal budgets in 2006 are convincing me to vote his way as well as the need for a continuation of leadership in the situations we are in.

But I will not sit idly by and support liberal legislation that gets passed under the conservative banner. I never will. I will call a spade a spade. If we don't, if we say that it's ok to $100 billion increases to Medicaid, then aren't conservatives no different than the modern liberals?

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

The Jewhating paleocons who scream about neocons are the 5th column. Send them to GITMO.

Nazi.

[MEG33]

AlQueda is not a state..it is a loosely linked group of like minded people...they would all like to kill us, harm us economically and impose Islam worldwide. There are many followers of Al Queda that use other names for their group....War against terrorism is a name..Even Hezbollah has declared war on the US or is it Hamas?

[BraveMan]

Whatever happened to the epithets "jingoistic", "Neanderthal", "knuckle-dragger" and "barbarian"? I would have thought the feces throwers would have gotten a lot more mileage out of those before they were retired.

Free speech is alive and well here and elsewhere. "Protected" speech is not; quite frankly opinions never have been protected here, and that's a good thing. Just as I am free to say something idiotic and nonsensical, some other Freeper is free to call me on it.

If someone takes me to task for saying something stupid, my free speech has not been abridged or curtailed in any way. It has just been unmasked for what it is.

Regarding your contention that nobody here is tolerating disagreement with the President and his policies; I beg to differ.

I am of the opinion we should be pulling our troops out of Iraq right now, though for entirely different reasons than others here and elsewhere have postulated. I am disheartened by the lack of support for our troops in Iraq by Iraqis. They don't deserve the democracy we are trying to provide them; they haven't earned it. Why aren't the Iraqis themselves doing more to curb attacks by "insurgents"? Why aren't Iraqis themselves kicking Al-Sadr to the curb when it is he who is desecrating their "holy places"?

There is a reason a person doesn't give pearls to swine, fine crystal to a two-year-old or Dom Perignon to a drunkard. Why waste precious things on someone who will not, nay cannot appreciate them?

[Landru]

"When the city they live in blows up, they will 'get it'."

HA!
Not necessarily.

"GeorgeFBP" for example?

...that's Brooklyn Park New York.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Good post, is that Brooklyn Park, Minnesota?

[Spirited]

"I agree also. The "conform or die" attitude is pushing me away from the GOP."

Yes indeed. The "lock step" thought patterns/behaviors required by totalitarianism are now being foisted/forced on others by those who purport to support the Constitution.

Clearly these are deceived masqueraders.

[Landru]

"I am disheartened by the lack of support for our troops in Iraq by Iraqis."

Just how in the hell do you know for SURE those people aren't supporting our people?

Having just spoken with a SSGT in the USMCR who recently returned from a tour in Iraq, heard his OWN firsthand account of what's going on over there, how greatly appreciated US troops really are by an overwhelming number of Iraqi citizens.
Hell's bells to tell you the Gospel's truth, even I was surprised hearing that.

Perhaps most revealing of all were this "man's" insights of how the "Prison Abuse Scandle" was a complete JOKE to the troops serving over there!
A joke our troops fully realize is a complete creation of the insideous bastard-quislings INFESTING our lamestream media; yet, most of us here -- safe & snug as bugs in a rug, BTW -- swallowed hook, line & sinker.

Now, we get to feel all *fuzzy* & humanitarian-like as a few of OUR troops will be sacrificed at the alter of political correctness visa vi courts martial.
For what, exactly?
*Feel* better?
You'd better, those kids will be raped by cowardly General grade types who aren't worth the brass they're wearing.

"They don't deserve the democracy we are trying to provide them; they haven't earned it."

I agree with your take to a degree here, though.
The value of anything -- & especially liberty -- is usually proportional to the sacrifices made to acquire [it].

Problem is liberty, unlike material possessions, is a fleeting *concept* to those who've never knew it, too.
Ask any person from Poland -- or any other of the former USSR bloc nations -- what I'm talking about & they'll tell you, because I have.

Those formerly *enslaved* people really needed to be *taught* what liberty is & how it's to be used, maintained.
Humans are not born with such insight & the average Joe Blow Iraqi's no different.

"Why aren't the Iraqis themselves doing more to curb attacks by 'insurgents'? Why aren't Iraqis themselves kicking Al-Sadr to the curb when it is he who is desecrating their 'holy places'"?

Because the "terrorists" are a hellova lot closer to them than they are us, that's why. (I suspect)
The Islamofacist SOBs wouldn't think twice about snuffing a friendly, dontcha know?
Survival instinct's pretty strong in all living things, citizen.

You're seem to be asking for an Iraqi version of George Washington, Thomas Paine & Jefferson et al, for chrissakes.
Do you realize your short sighted folly expecting that in 2004?

Listen carefully: IF the Liberal-Socialist-Communists ever *were* to fully take over right here in the United States of America?
You'd better damned well know they'd secure their power the same way every other totalitarian monster in history did it, via brute force including death meted out right on the spot to anyone deemed not to be fully towing the party line.
Capiche?

So tell me my friend, if that scenario cited above ever became our reality?
What would you do?
Hmmmmm?
That's the exact situation the "average" Iraqi finds themselves, y'know.

I'm continually amazed at people on this forum who rail against the propaganda peddlers -- in ALL forms of media here in the States -- who we ALL know damned well lie, decieve, omit & spin everything we depend on to keep us informed so really no one in their right gord can believe anything they say.
But while they're plying their shameless skills, they're also virtually carpetbombing our precious information highways with their POV, too.
Continually 24/7 never ending, until one day even those who steadfastly professed to be cognizant of the mo are themselves, fainally persuaded.

Proving yet again what one of the more truly twisted SOBs once said?
Paraphrased:

..."Tell a lie often enough & it'll be believed."

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

Guys, "Brooklyn Park", Maryland. JUST South of the Baltimore Betway. I am really enjoying the responses on this thread. The convoluted logic is hilarious. Peace and love, George.

[Austin Willard Wright]

The pendalum has not swung "extremely right." In terms of social welfare and education legislation, Dubya is probably is probably the most leftwing Republican ever to sit in the White House.

[FBD]

EXCELLANT comments, Lan.

Thanks for the encouragement, and the reminder that we need to be patient with Iraq, this may take awhile for Iraqies to understand what freedom is all about.

PING to all:
Please read #77.