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Neoconned?
WBAL AM Radio 1090 Baltimore ^ | Posted: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 | Ron Smith

Posted on 06/03/2004 3:20:06 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park

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WBAL AM Radio 1090 Baltimore

Neoconned?
Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Ron Smith

The neoconned conservatives are feeling angry these days, not at the neocons for conning them into backing the invasion of Iraq, but at any who point out that the situation over there is not only not what the war enthusiasts promised – cheers and flowers from an enthused Iraqi population thrilled that we removed the tyrant Hussein – but one that is deteriorating more each day.

Rush Limbaugh said yesterday on his program that one couldn’t support our troops while being opposed to our involvement in the war. He said, if I recall correctly, that he would no longer read the New York Times or watch dissident generals on TV as they made public their disagreements with Bush Administration policy.

The popular talk radio host has also famously commented on the prison abuses at Abu Ghraib, saying they were nothing more than some of our young soldiers blowing off steam, “having some fun,” and indulging in nothing more serious than fraternity pranks.

Some Rush wannabes (as liberals like to describe any of us who talk on the radio for a living) go a lot farther in exhorting the faithful. Michael Savage, the hardcore host of a syndicated talk show, is known for his abrasiveness. Lately, as the Iraq torture scandal made headlines, he’s called for the U.S. to kill “thousands” of Iraqi prisoners and “nuke” an Arab capital. He’s still on the air, though it’s hard to imagine he would be if he had called for the slaughter of members of any other racial or ethnic group.

Similarly, a Boston talk show host named Jay Severin suggested that the proper solution to our knotty Middle East problems would be to kill all Muslims. As was the case with Savage, his show continues to be aired.

I get email from listeners who buy into the above-mentioned “solution” to the sticky situation we find ourselves in as a nation. It’s chilling when such messages are sent by people who are otherwise normal, patriotic Americans, no doubt kind to their friends and families, but totally persuaded that the answer to the stalemate in Iraq is a massive slaughter of people who object to our occupation of their land and our rule over their lives.

They refuse to admit that no Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found in Iraq, even though their champions in Washington, the President and his advisers have made no claim to the contrary. When reputable, high-level, officials go public with their reservations about what has been done and why, they heartily agree with the predictable denigration of these apostates.

In my own case, after nearly 20 years of spouting off as a conservative radio host, I have been transformed in the eyes of some longtime listeners into a “liberal,” as though support for this war is a litmus test for conservatism. There is precious little that is “liberal” in my views.

I believe in a Constitutional Republic, in limited government, and in my right to speak my mind on anything at all. I don’t conflate the country I love with any particular administration or set of leaders. I reserve the right to disagree with their decisions. And Political Correctness is abhorrent to me whether leftist nannies or rightist ninnies impose it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: lies; neocons; paleoliars; ronsmith
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I believe in a Constitutional Republic, in limited government, and in my right to speak my mind on anything at all. I don’t conflate the country I love with any particular administration or set of leaders. I reserve the right to disagree with their decisions. And Political Correctness is abhorrent to me whether leftist nannies or rightist ninnies impose it.
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All, I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Peace and love, George.
1 posted on 06/03/2004 3:20:06 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: sauropod; farmfriend; editor-surveyor; madfly
The neoconned conservatives are feeling angry these days, not at the neocons for conning them into backing the invasion of Iraq, but at any who point out that the situation over there is not only not what the war enthusiasts promised – cheers and flowers from an enthused Iraqi population thrilled that we removed the tyrant Hussein – but one that is deteriorating more each day.

Guys, Ah-YUP. Peace and love, George.

2 posted on 06/03/2004 3:25:33 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

I agree also. The "conform or die" attitude is pushing me away from the GOP. I get sick when I hear people say "If you don't support Bush, the terrorists win!...or..."How dare you criticize the President...We're at war!" Taking this attitude to its logical conclusion would be to ban free speech. Honest people can come to different conclusions about the necessity of the Iraq war, and those who call people "traitors" for disagreeing with the official neocon policy are doing a disservice to the republican party.


3 posted on 06/03/2004 3:26:58 AM PDT by Capitalism2003 ("Greedy capitalists get money by trade. Good liberals steal it." – David Friedman)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

We are at war with people who want to kill us and destroy out way of life. It is not that difficult to understand...


4 posted on 06/03/2004 3:27:32 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

We are at war...I am sick of this kind of talk from so called "conservatives".We are at war...


5 posted on 06/03/2004 3:33:11 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Capitalism2003

You guys kill me. You equate criticizing what you say with taking away your freedom of speech...


6 posted on 06/03/2004 3:33:54 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

"An Obedient Dhimmi Is a Happy Dhimmi! Vote Kerry In '04! Allah Akbar -- !"

7 posted on 06/03/2004 3:34:51 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Capitalism2003

I notice your capacity to post has not been curtailed...You are free to speak and I am free to disagree.


8 posted on 06/03/2004 3:36:36 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
The neoconned conservatives are feeling angry these days, not at the neocons for conning them into backing the invasion of Iraq, but at any who point out that the situation over there is not only not what the war enthusiasts promised – cheers and flowers from an enthused Iraqi population thrilled that we removed the tyrant Hussein – but one that is deteriorating more each day

Whew, the above is an utter lie.

Oh well what this type of drivel from a writier who IMO probably thinks that Israel is a greater threat to the world, than the islamofascists.

9 posted on 06/03/2004 3:37:11 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Whoops let me revise my reply #9, it's early.

Oh well I expect this type of drivel from a writer who IMO probably thinks that Israel is a greater threat to the world, than the islamofascists

10 posted on 06/03/2004 3:40:16 AM PDT by Dane
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Michael Savage, the hardcore host of a syndicated talk show, is known for his abrasiveness. Lately, as the Iraq torture scandal made headlines, he’s called for the U.S. to kill “thousands” of Iraqi prisoners and “nuke” an Arab capital. He’s still on the air, though it’s hard to imagine he would be if he had called for the slaughter of members of any other racial or ethnic group.

I gotta say George, I agree with this. It worked in Japan...

11 posted on 06/03/2004 3:41:14 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Stop the war. ********** NUKE EM NOW !)
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To: MEG33
I notice your capacity to post has not been curtailed...

But to be fair, FR has had very little patience with certain people lately, while giving others, who actually favor an expansion of government, free reign. I have a problem with that, but it's not my site.

12 posted on 06/03/2004 3:44:21 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Stop the war. ********** NUKE EM NOW !)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

Interesting.

I agree with the war. Agree with the action. There are, however, many conservatives that disagree. It's a free country. What drives me crazy is when I attack the current congress and administration for the recent upswing in (non defense) spending, other 'conservatives' get angry at me.

That isn't healthy. If you want a group or ideology without contrarian or differing opinions, join the DNC. They're the zombies without real internal debate. Differing opinions are healthy, and I'm glad the GOP has within it libertarians, conservatives, paleo-conservatives, objectivists, etc.

As for the war, as long as you don't use the typical liberal attacks against it, I'll gladly speak with a conservative on the issue. I believed in it enough to take part in the war. I still do, and I still am.

Usually, when I see a conservative make attacks upon the war, it is intellectually leaps and bounds above the liberal mantra. As long as not once, not once, is an attack made upon the motivations or operations of the individual American soldier, we can discuss.

Oh yeah. And as long as you recognize that John Kerry would be a far worse option than any man in the GOP to lead this effort.


13 posted on 06/03/2004 3:46:34 AM PDT by Captain Rabbit ("I don't own an SUV" said John Kerry who was then called on it. "Oh, that one's the family's.")
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To: MEG33
I notice your capacity to post has not been curtailed...You are free to speak and I am free to disagree.

I guess they haven't noticed the left comparing Bush to the Taliban and Hitler....

14 posted on 06/03/2004 3:47:02 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Dane
"Neocon": Slang For "Jew"
15 posted on 06/03/2004 3:48:49 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
George, we can agree on domestic isues all day-- I, like you, am a hard core limited government/Goldwater/libertarian type. But this war is different. There's no isolationism to be had. If we don't kill these control freaks first, or convert them to christianity, they will find us and remove us from the planet. We have to engage them or we're dead. It's just a matter of time.

I honestly can't think of a better solution than the destruction of the axis of evil.

16 posted on 06/03/2004 3:49:37 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Stop the war. ********** NUKE EM NOW !)
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To: Captain Rabbit
What drives me crazy is when I attack the current congress and administration for the recent upswing in (non defense) spending, other 'conservatives' get angry at me.

That's actually happened to me on this forum. Got the t shirt.

18 posted on 06/03/2004 3:52:07 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Stop the war. ********** NUKE EM NOW !)
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To: Captain Rabbit
"Oh yeah. And as long as you recognize that John Kerry would be a far worse option than any man in the GOP to lead this effort."

CR, I wouldn't vote for Kerry if I was paid WELL! And, I could damn sure use the money. And, I firmly believe Ron holds the same sentiment. Except for "needing the money". Peace and love, George.

19 posted on 06/03/2004 3:53:01 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Send your complaints to the owner....
I am sick of word games about neo cons, paleocons, libertarians, conservatives, RINOs, true conservatives, real conservatives...I want we AMERICANS to get together and pull together for the sake of our nation. We are at war.


20 posted on 06/03/2004 3:56:41 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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