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Posted on 06/02/2004 11:54:12 AM PDT by Willie Green
The Pittsburgh Steelers and the National Football League have asked a federal court judge to dismiss a $200 million antitrust suit, contending a Carrick man who filed it has no standing to challenge the public funding of new stadiums.
The motion, filed Friday by attorney Michael J. Manzo of Klett Rooney Lieber & Schorling, claims that plaintiff Robert C. Warnock, 42, cannot bring the complaint because he can't show damage to his business or property.
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I heartily agree!
Funny thing is Nascar has been around for over 50 years. New tracks are still being built at a higher cost than these stadiums. You don't see track owners shoving this crap down the population's throats. They are all privately funded.
Voters did not vote down taxpayer funded stadiums, they voted down raising the sales tax to fund the stadiums.
Somehow, I do not believe that that the former owner of the Texas Rangers would agree with you on that point.
In NC, NASCAR is attempting to get public funding for a test track.
That's because NASCAR track owners aren't as cut throat as other sport's owners. If you can con a city into paying for your new stadium why pay for it yourself, the smart business man doesn't spend any dollar he doesn't have to.
I don't know disco. There are mainly 2 men who own all of the NASCAR tracks and almost everything to do with NASCAR. They hate eachother and would be more than happy to take out the other.
Funny thing is Nascar has been around for over 50 years. New tracks are still being built at a higher cost than these stadiums. You don't see track owners shoving this crap down the population's throats. They are all privately funded.Actually, Robert Kraft (New England Patriots) wanted to build his new stadium with private funds in South Boston. His proposal got NIMBYed by the neighborhood. The Patriots almost moved to Hartford as a result.
Publically funded stadiums are like tax abatement: that genie isn't going back in the bottle. If one city doesn't do it, others will. Such facilities have done a reasonably good job of reviving their parts of town in Cleveland and Akron.
By the way, Washington State is looking at partial public funding for a NASCAR track. Part of the issue is using it for more events than the one race a year.
-Eric
Maybe their problem is they're focused on wanting to take each other out and paying enough attention to the bottom line. Or maybe they just enjoy the rebel status of NASCAR... can't really be a rebel in government owned stadiums.
As taxpayers, we need to drive a stake in the heart of those who extort sportspork from the public coffers.
I agree, but how are the jobs, revitalization of depressed areas, and tax revenues that come from sports stadiums more inherently evil than those same benefits that come from public transportation projects, like commuter trains that nobody wants?
One man's pork is another man's public good.
If you want a new stadium, build it with private money and run it at a profit. If you want a new rail line, build it with private money and run it at a profit.
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How can this guy say he hasn't been personally harmed when his taxes were used to build the place? That should demonstrate harm, shouldn't it?
Don't say that too loudly. NASCAR is trying to get some help from the NC legislature or something like that but the argument is being used that "well, taxpayers fund stadiums, don't they?"
Agreed.
"I agree, but how are the jobs, revitalization of depressed areas, and tax revenues that come from sports stadiums more inherently evil than those same benefits that come from public transportation projects, like commuter trains that nobody wants?"
Because nominally, at least, the public directly benefits from mass transit and roads, etc. The Owners of the sports teams are the ones who directly benefit from their stadiums. The benefits aren't public as directly.
I didn't realize that. Figures.
I've not been following it as closely recently. I'm one of those "old fart fans" that doesn't like the direction they've taken.
Or the proposed train from Raleigh to Wilmington to lessen traffic on I-40 that their own research shows would attract 10 riders a day!
Their still going in the same direction. Left, left, left, left, left, left, left, left...
Every now and then they might take a right when getting the car from the garage to the track.
Or at Watkins Glen or Sonoma!
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