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ARABS AND AZTECS > by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Gunny G's ^ | April 30, 2004 | Jack Wheeler

Posted on 06/02/2004 4:13:40 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: TheCrusader
On the bright side, Christ always wins.

Unfortunately, the battle can be long and hard.

41 posted on 06/02/2004 7:59:59 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Tallguy; section9
The day will come, of course, when the Muzzies overreach.

The question then becomes how many have to die before it becomes plainly apparent to everybody, including liberals in and out of government, 'cause 9/11 apparently wasn't enough of a b*tch-slap to wake everybody up.

42 posted on 06/02/2004 8:04:25 AM PDT by adx (Why's it called "tourist season" if you ain't allowed to shoot 'em?)
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To: Saladin2004
And you also mentioned Pyramids, maybe you forget already about your Abu Gharib pyramid stacking, the raping of a young boy and killing of unarmed naked prisoners (The red cross stated that 70-90% of prisoners held were innocent of any crime)or maybe you may call this a little fun, well the Nazis would have also called it a little fun.

In any large population, you will have a certain number of criminals.

The point that you Islamists will never admit in regards to Abu Gharib is that such conduct was reported by an American soldier and investigated by the U.S. Army who then pressed charges. The photos were leaked to the news media by the uncle of one of the abusers when the U.S. Army refused to drop the abuse charges against his nephew.

That is the difference between us.

We denounce and prosecute the crimminals within our society even if the crime is the killing of a handful or merely humiliation.

You glorify the crimminals within you society even if the crimes are the killing of tens of thousands, cutting off hands and feeding prisoners alive into shredders.

43 posted on 06/02/2004 8:04:30 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: adx
The question then becomes how many have to die before it becomes plainly apparent to everybody, including liberals in and out of government, 'cause 9/11 apparently wasn't enough of a b*tch-slap to wake everybody up.

So far as we know, we have yet to be hit on our own soil since 9/11. I say, "so far as we know", because I think several incidents both before and after 9/11 are very curious and could easily have been terrorist acts. I'm certain that we'll be hit again. The political center in the US will shift, you can bet on it.

44 posted on 06/02/2004 8:14:56 AM PDT by Tallguy (Surviving in PA....thats the "other PA"...Pennsylvania.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...

If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.


45 posted on 06/02/2004 8:23:08 AM PDT by SJackson (no Jim Crow, no anti-semitism, education, medical care for everyone-Kerry slogan author on Stalin)
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To: dennisw
Arabs and Aztecs, Arabs and Aztlan

La Raza's struggle for the land and for political and economic self-determination is not different from the struggle of the Palestinian people in Zionist Israel.

We live in Aztlan under Anglo domination as the Palestinians live under Jewish domination. La Raza as well as the Palestinians lost the land through military aggression and both people now live in segregated regions within the larger nation.....

Ministry of Foreign Affairs
October 18, 2000


46 posted on 06/02/2004 8:27:49 AM PDT by SJackson (no Jim Crow, no anti-semitism, education, medical care for everyone-Kerry slogan author on Stalin)
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To: SJackson

Cortez saw himself as a liberator

Riiight.
Don't get me wrong, he did a good thing..no make that a very good thing. The world is a much better place w/o the Aztecs in power. But I really doubt he saw himself as someone who was out to liberate anyone.


47 posted on 06/02/2004 8:28:55 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: dennisw
For just as the worship of Huitzilopotchtli was an invention to provide a religious justification for Aztec imperialism, so Islam was an invention for the purpose of providing a religious justification for Arab imperialism.

It is commonly taught that the purpose of the Arab Conquest -- Arab hordes exploding out of Arabia in the middle of the 7th century to conquer all of the Christian Middle East, Zoroastrian Persia and Central Asia, Hindu Northern India, and Christian North Africa and Spain in 100 years -- was to spread Islam. It turns out this is the opposite of what actually happened.

That is, just like other nomad hordes that swarmed out of a desert and infested civilizations through history -- like Attila Huns or Genghiz Khan Mongols -- so did the Arabs. Finding themselves in sudden possession of a vast empire of vastly different peoples and all of them non-Arab, the Arabs invented a religion to justify their ruling it, and aptly named it Islam, which in Arabic means Submission. They claimed it meant submission to the Will of God, but what it really meant was submission to them

The multiculralistas already offer watered down apologetics for the New World's version of a Moloch cult in our public schools and arts. Old World Mohammedanism is following in that same path.

If "Aztec radicals" were to perpetrate a massive attack on US soil that killed thousands, would our President call Montezumanism a peaceful religion? Would he say that Christians, Jews, and Aztecs worship the same God? Would he host Huitzilopotchtli dinners?

Yet President Bush has done the moral equivalent of all of these things with Mohammedanism.


48 posted on 06/02/2004 8:36:26 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammed wrote: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: Saladin2004

49 posted on 06/02/2004 8:37:54 AM PDT by Alouette (Dear Dad & Uncle Ira & all USA vets--Thank you for my Freedom.)
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To: Saladin2004
And you also mentioned Pyramids, maybe you forget already about your Abu Gharib pyramid stacking, the raping of a young boy and killing of unarmed naked prisoners (The red cross stated that 70-90% of prisoners held were innocent of any crime)or maybe you may call this a little fun, well the Nazis would have also called it a little fun.

That Nazis ? You mean your allies.

Islam was founded by a pedophililic, traitorous murderer.

50 posted on 06/02/2004 8:55:58 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: Saladin2004

ZOTted to the Allahu Snackbar!

Enjoy the complementary chicharonnes, Don't forget to pay your tab before you leave.


51 posted on 06/02/2004 9:50:30 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: wizr

"Only, we called it "Manifest Destiny"."

The indians were killing each other for thousands of years before we got here.

Thanks to us, that stopped. Plus, they get to run the casinos! ;)


52 posted on 06/02/2004 9:52:45 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: dennisw; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; yonif; SJackson; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...
     Nailed It!

Important article PING.

53 posted on 06/02/2004 11:22:45 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: miss marmelstein

Blame their edukashun.


54 posted on 06/02/2004 11:27:57 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Saladin2004

You lack knowledge, lack truth,and lack shame. It takes awhile but we have bled and died to make men free...sometimes we are slow to get it right...but we bring freedom instead of tyranny. We cannot free everyone..but we can aid and encourage.


55 posted on 06/02/2004 11:37:01 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: aruanan
It sounds like warmed over higher criticism applied to Islam instead of to Christianity.

Yes, it does, and also a little hyper. The author, Dr. Jack Wheeler, has a very interesting web autobiography that is certainly enlightening about him: Dr. Jack Wheeler.

Please understand, I don't like the ancient Aztec or Islamic "kultures" at all, but shoddy revisionist writing isn't the way to expose them.

56 posted on 06/02/2004 11:43:44 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Travis McGee
This thread is worth a read. This guy "gets it".

This is why the Call to Jihad is hard-wired into the Koran. Jihad is why Islam exists. The Moslem religion was invented by Arabs in order to claim their conquering of other peoples and religions was ordained and approved by God.

57 posted on 06/02/2004 12:23:36 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: Saladin2004

Unsurprised to see you are already gone. Dream on with the username. Your philosophy of religious-political conquest will be destroyed.


58 posted on 06/02/2004 12:27:23 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: dennisw
Excellent post which I have bookmarked. Bump.
59 posted on 06/02/2004 12:38:04 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: Sabertooth
I'd like to add a few items:

The Aztecs were the only cannibal empire in history.
Many victims were eaten after sacrifice; IIRC, the captor got at least one limb, the torso went to feed the emperor's menagerie, the priests got the head (brains...) and the remaining limbs either went to the captor or to the knightly orders. One description of meal had the limb stewed with tomatoes and chilies: sort of a precursor to modern-day chili!

Social advancement was achieved by capturing prisoners for sacrifice. A commoner could achieve noble status by capturing enough prisoners (though the status of the prisoners started mattering after a certain point).

Since the locals had wiped out most of the big game animals, non-warriors and slaves had mostly vegetable diets; they depended on beans, maize and squash to get the amino acids they needed, but sometimes one or more of the "three sisters" was not available. Eating human flesh was a big advantage that just happened to be reserved for nobles, warriors, and priests. Coincidence, right?

BTW: I don't think they took the hearts of children sacrificed to Tlaloc. They beat them to make them cry (symbolizing rain) then drowned them.

And the name of the flayed god was Xipe Totec. The priests wore the flayed skin until it fell apart, so they wanted to do a good job skinning the sacrifice.

Too much information, eh? I have always thought that the Spanish did a good thing by destroying the Aztecs and Incas. I hope we are able to do a good thing by destroying what passes for culture among Islamic nations.
60 posted on 06/02/2004 12:43:11 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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