Posted on 06/01/2004 1:58:36 PM PDT by Alouette
Its time to play cowboys and muslims..IMHO
We're already doing that to an extent...gradually, we are rounding up--or killing--the bad guys...MUD
Yer catchin' on my FRiend...
The more you study this facsist cult, the more you will see the out-right deceptive Leftism right under it's facade. The reason leftists identify with Islam: a hatred for America, and a hatred for freedom.
Islam is: Facsism, mixed in with Marxism, oligarchic tribalism mixed in with theocracy, and a brainwashed hatred for Christian beliefs, democratic principals of equality, and any rule of law other than Islam.
Yeah. Only about 30 million more bad guys to go.
BTW, Robert Spencer has a book out : 'Onward Muslim Soldiers".
It's chilling. He always documents his factual statements with plenty of cross referances.
Another Spencer frontpagemag.com article on Islamic terrorism:
The Left is a terrorist organization...MUD
How did you come up with that number? I do not lump all Muslims together and condemn them as one, just those who espouse violence.
FReegards...MUD
- Islamic radicals are estimated to be 3% of the total Muslim poplulation. If you take 3% of a billion muslims, what do you have?
I don't have the link for this statisic, but if you add up: The Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, Jihad-Islamic army, and etc, there are aproximately: 30 million radical Islamics out there.
The number of radical movements keeep growing, so that number may actually be on the conservative side.
FACT:
The roots of today’s war on terror lie in the creation not of Al-Qaeda, but of the Muslim Brotherhood.
"The Muslim Brotherhood, the prototypical Muslim radical group of the modern age, was founded in Egypt by Hassan Al-Banna in 1928. The Brotherhood emerged as a response to the abolition of the caliphate by Turkish secularist pioneer Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in 1924.
Al-Banna and the Brotherhood considered Islam to have an essential political and social character that needed to be reasserted in the face of the societal ills that had come to the Islamic world with secularism.
Al-Banna excoriated Ataturk for separating “the state from religion in a country which was until recently the site of the Commander of the Faithful.” Sounding notes that Osama bin Laden would echo decades later, Al-Banna characterized the abolition of the caliphate as just part of a larger “Western invasion which was armed and equipped with all [the] destructive influences of money, wealth, prestige, ostentation, power and means of propaganda.”[2]
Al-Banna’s Brotherhood had a deeply spiritual character from its beginning, but it didn’t combat the “Western invasion” with just words and prayers. Al-Banna decried the complacency of the Egyptian elite: “What catastrophe has befallen the souls of the reformers and the spirit of the leaders? . . . What calamity has made them prefer this life to the thereafter [sic]? What has made them . . . consider the way of struggle [sabil al-jihad] too rough and difficult?”[3] When the Brotherhood was criticized for being a political group in the guise of a religious one, al-Banna met the challenge head-on:
“We summon you to Islam, the teachings of Islam, the laws of Islam and the guidance of Islam, and if this smacks of ‘politics’ in your eyes, then it is our policy. And if the one summoning you to these principles is a ‘politician,’ then we are the most respectable of men, God be praised, in politics . . . Islam does have a policy embracing the happiness of this world. . . . We believe that Islam is an all-embracing concept which regulates every aspect of life, adjudicating on every one of its concerns and prescribing for it a solid and rigorous order.”[4]
Al-Banna’s vision was in perfect accord with that of classical Muslim scholars such as Ibn Khaldun, who taught in the fourteenth century that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.”[5]
In a similar spirit, Al-Banna wrote in 1934 that “it is a duty incumbent on every Muslim to struggle towards the aim of making every people Muslim and the whole world Islamic, so that the banner of Islam can flutter over the earth and the call of the Muezzin can resound in all the corners of the world: God is greatest [Allahu akbar]! This is not parochialism, nor is it racial arrogance or usurpation of land.”[6]
Al-Banna would doubtless therefore have looked kindly upon the Palestinian Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi’s 2002 call to believers: “Oh beloved, look to the East of the earth, find Japan and the ocean; look to the West of the earth, find [some] country and the ocean. Be assured that these will be owned by the Muslim nation, as the Hadith says . . . ‘from the ocean to the ocean.’”[7]
According to Brynjar Lia, the historian of the Muslim Brotherhood movement: “Quoting the Qur’anic verse ‘And fight them till sedition is no more, and the faith is God’s’ [Sura 2:193], the Muslim Brothers urged their fellow Muslims to restore the bygone greatness of Islam and to re-establish an Islamic empire. Sometimes they even called for the restoration of ‘former Islamic colonies’ in Andalus (Spain), southern Italy, Sicily, the Balkans and the Mediterranean islands.”[8]
Such talk may have seemed laughable then, but it isn’t so much now in these days of increasing jihadist activity in Spain, the Balkans, and elsewhere in Europe. And even at that time, the Brotherhood had weapons and a military wing.
Scholar Martin Kramer notes that the Brotherhood had “a double identity. On one level, they operated openly, as a membership organization of social and political awakening. Banna preached moral revival, and the Muslim Brethren engaged in good works. On another level, however, the Muslim Brethren created a ‘secret apparatus’ that acquired weapons and trained adepts in their use. Some of its guns were deployed against the Zionists in Palestine in 1948, but the Muslim Brethren also resorted to violence in Egypt. They began to enforce their own moral teachings by intimidation, and they initiated attacks against Egypt’s Jews. They assassinated judges and struck down a prime minister in 1949. Banna himself was assassinated two months later, probably in revenge.”[9]
The Brotherhood was no gathering of marginalized kooks. It grew in Egypt from 150 branches in 1936 to as many as 1,500 by 1944. In 1939 al-Banna referred to “100,000 pious youths from the Muslim Brothers from all parts of Egypt,” and although Lia believes he was exaggerating at that point, by 1944 membership was estimated as between 100,000 and 500,000.[10] By 1937 it had expanded beyond Egypt, setting up “several branches in Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Morocco, and one in each of Bahrain, Hadramawt, Hyderabad, Djibouti and,” Lia adds matter-of-factly, “Paris.”[11] These many thousands, dispersed around the world, heard al-Banna’s call to “prepare for jihad and be lovers of death.”[12]
One of the Muslim Brotherhood’s principal children is Hamas, the Islamic Resistance Movement that glorifies the murder of innocent civilians in Israel. Hamas identifies itself in its Charter as “one of the wings of the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a world organization, the largest Islamic Movement in the modern era. It is characterized by a profound understanding, by precise notions and by a complete comprehensiveness of all concepts of Islam in all domains of life: views and beliefs, politics and economics, education and society, jurisprudence and rule, indoctrination and teaching, the arts and publications, the hidden and the evident, and all the other domains of life.”
Only at this point does Al-Qaeda come into the picture. According to Jane’s Intelligence Review, one man — Sheikh Abdullah Azzam — was both “an influential figure in the Muslim Brotherhood” and “the historical leader of Hamas.”[13]
In the documentary "Jihad in America" the filmmakers went into mosques in this coutry, and secretly taped sermons by American Muslim clerics calling for the overthrow of our government. One very radical mosque...is in Oklahoma City.
"I don't have the link for this statisic, but if you add up: The Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, Jihad-Islamic army, and etc, there are aproximately: 30 million radical Islamics out there."
And how many of them did it take to pull off 9/11?
Alright, let's say 30 Million...now, how many of them folks are willing to fight to their deaths in a hopeless cause while they watch their neighbors prosper by adapting alleged INFIDEL values of representative democracy and free-market capitalism?!
As the West succeeds, I'll bet that number decreases markedly.
FReegards...MUD
Good point, just like we defeated the Japaneses suicide bombers,(Shintoists) we can probably defeat the Islamic suicide bombers. However, if you think Muslims will EVER want to embrace free markets, and capitolism? Read the below article:
"Here is the hierarchy of human worth in Islam:
At the summit are free male Muslims
Next come Muslim male slaves
Then come free Muslim women
Next come Muslim slave women.
Then come free Jewish and /or Christian men
Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian men
Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian women.
Non-Muslims are not considered, or treated, as equals.
You and Meek both make the mistake of identifying with some individual muslims who don't really follow the Islamic teachings, vs the idealogy of the radicals, (like Osama bin Laden) who actually do.
I'm sure we could find individual members of the Communist and Nazi parties, who in all probability, were very likable folks, and weren't part of the mass slaughter that those two parties caused...
But the fact that we could find these *individuals*...does not change the *nature* of Communist or the Nazi parties, does it?
The same can honestly be said about the Islamic religion, as a whole.
Hey, I've always been against the Radical Islamic Fundamentalists that hijacked a religion and twisted it into a Terrorist agenda/Jihad/whatever you want to call it. [ And I know you're not saying I haven't been in your post there, ok? :^) ]Hey, I've got that "(UN)Holy Land Foundation" in Richardson, Texas just twenty minutes down the road from my house. They got the A$$ETS frozen about 1.5 - 2.5 years ago or so when they were identified as being linked to Hamas. HLF claims they are a CHARITY organization that helps women and children. Well, THAT'S exactly what Hamas does ... they help women and children strap Semtex to their arses and walk into restaurants and video parlors, etc. and blow themselves up to kill innocent people. Those folks are
SUICIDEHOMICIDE bombers. I have no use for those folks. None, nada, zilch !
This religion wasn't hijacked Meek! The radicals are the true followers.
It actually would be nice, to see this *religion* get hijacked! (very appropriate term, since every sucessful airplane hijacking in the past 20 years has been by a muslim!)
BTW, how do you twist a religion, whose author and founder was already twisted?
Remember, the Pedophile Pirate (The "Prophet" Muhammed )- personally killed over 700 people, during his raids on villages. Thousands of others were beheaded, by his order.
He also *took* a little seven year old girl, to be his wife.
So, by all means, let's see if we can get this religion hijacked...by some peaceful, un-mysogynistic, U.S. loving, Christian tolerating muslims who don't hate the Jews!
If you search the world over, I'm betting you won't get enough to fill up a phone booth.
BTW, good to see you get a little fired up Meek! ;^D
Regards,
FBD
- - WHY ARE ALL TERRORISTS MUSLIM? -
WHY ARE ALL TERRORISTS MUSLIM?
"Unless a man becomes the enemy of evil, he will not even become its slave, but rather its champion. God Himself will not help us to ignore evil but only to defy and to defeat it!" G. K. Chesterton.
In an outrageous attack upon Christian leaders facing the lie of Islam with the Word of God, the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) issued a public rebuke, sharply criticizing "derogatory statements" made by some evangelical leaders concerning Islam. The National Association of Evangelicals represents more than 43,000 congregations in the United States of America. Specifically, the NAE named Franklin Graham, Dr. Jerry Vines, and the Revs. Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson as chief culprits who must learn to temper their speech concerning Islam.
This is shocking! The NAE wants to take the one offensive weapon we Christians have in our arsenal, the Word of God, and replace it with - dialogue? That's right! The truth of God's Word is being replaced with tolerance, appeasement, common ground, reaching across the aisle, pragmatism, and negotiation. "Can't we all just get along?" Of course the answer is, "No! Not when God's Word is the standard."
To be sure, God's Word is confrontational, dividing, judgmental, and absolute, yet it is filled with mercy. Islam, on the other hand, is all of the above, yet it is filled with violence and murder. There is no common ground between these two religions. Islam and Christianity are at war! Neither will tolerate the other.
Unfazed by planes crashing into buildings killing thousands, suicide bombings of countless innocent human beings, mass slaughter of millions of Christians in the Sudan, and violence of unprecedented order, the NAE now wants us to dialogue with the Christ hating false religion of Islam. This spiritually emasculated organization, is espousing that we hide in caves so that we won't be killed by Muslims living out their faith in the streets of our cities. Living out their faith?
The NAE's solution to stop the merciless bloodletting of Islam is to draft guidelines and begin an interfaith dialogue with Islamic leaders. What utter nonsense! Somehow the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, Rev. Ted Haggard, has convinced himself and several others of the good faith of his Islamic counterparts. Haggard is championing the lie of Islam without realizing what it is that he and the NAE are doing.
Ask a simple question, "Why are all terrorists Muslim?" You doubt the premise of the question? Let's just take a look:
What do all of these recorded instances of sheer violence and evil have in common? Islam! Why are all these terrorists Muslim? Their false and murderous religion demands them to be so. There is no escaping the link between terrorism and the Islamic faith. Islam is a lie birthed in the very pit of hell that must be defeated before it destroys everyone who will not bow the knee to Allah and his lying prophet Mohammed.
Islam must be annihilated, completely. It must be exposed for the lie that it is. Allah is not God and Mohammed is not a prophet of God. Jesus is God, and apart from Him there is no other. Jesus is not tolerant of any other God than Himself, for there is no other God but Him! For the NAE to say anything less is to betray the God of the Holy Scriptures and the 43,000 congregations it represents.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), upon hearing the NAE's appeasing statement said, "We can understand theological differences, but what's important is that the dialogue is one of respect, not demonization." Dialogue? Sure, Rev. Haggard, you won the accolades of Islam, but you are suffering under the condemnation of heaven. There is nothing Islam would rather do than to dialogue with you while it continues its murderous onslaught. The Word of God demonizes Islam, not Franklin Graham or any of the others.
For the NAE to take its cues from CAIR, a front organization for Islamic terrorism, is absurd. CAIR is the organization that came up with the politically correct idea that America should no longer be considered a "Judeo-Christian" nation. Why? Because it is offensive to Muslims living in America. Please! CAIR is that "gentle" organization that coined the endearing term "Islamophobia," and is presently suing American Airlines for wrongfully profiling "middle eastern" looking men.
Wrongfully profiling? One doesn't have to look too long at the statistics to realize that 98.7% of all hijackings from 1970 to this day were done by "middle eastern" looking men who were all (100% of them) Muslim terrorists. CAIR says it's just not fair to be demonized by the Word of God. Too bad! Unfortunately the NAE wants to jump on that "politically correct" ship that is going to sink into eternal damnation.
We have three choices in dealing with Islam. We will either be killed by those holding to its murderous tenets, kill them (like we are doing in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.), or convert them to Christ. Which one do you choose?
Flip Benham
One-eyed cleric Abu Hamza al Masri,said, "Jihad, in general, is striving for [the] sake of God to establish his law…on earth, and the backbone of his law is fighting. So every fighting cause of God is Jihad. What are [the] consequences for infidels? If you live in my property, and you don't pay me my rent, then you get out and Jihad is to get you out. This is the property of God. You don't worship him, you get out and how [do] you get out? You get killed."
Oh. So you are saying that if you are a Muslim, you are a Terrorist ???Got it.
>"Oh. So you are saying that if you are a Muslim, you are a Terrorist ???"<
NO!!!...I'm saying: IF *someone* is a TERRORIST, then *they* are most likely:
A *DEVOUT* MUSLIM!!! (98% chance)
Sheesh, C'mon Meek, my FRiend!
Why I Am Not A Muslim
Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society ^
By Ibn Warraq
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/549787/posts
(Ibn Warraq is Arab, and the author of 'Why I Am Not A Muslim')
- "Given the stupefying enormity of the acts of barbarism of 11 September, moral outrage is appropriate and justified, as are demands for punishment. But a civilized society cannot permit blind attacks on all those perceived as “Muslims” or Arabs. Not all Muslims or all Arabs are terrorists. Nor are they implicated in the horrendous events of Tuesday. Police protection for individual Muslims, mosques and other institutions must be increased.
However, to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with Terrorist Tuesday is to wilfully ignore the obvious and to forever misinterpret events. Without Islam the long-term strategy and individual acts of violence by Usama bin Laden and his followers make little sense. The West needs to understand them in order to be able to deal with them and avoid past mistakes. We are confronted with Islamic terrorists and must take seriously the Islamic component. Westerners in general, and Americans in particular, do not understand the passionate, religious, and anti-western convictions of Islamic terrorists. These God-intoxicated fanatics blindly throw away their lives in return for the Paradise of Seventy Two Virgins offered Muslim martyrs killed in the Holy War against all infidels.
Jihad is “a religious war with those who are unbelievers in the mission of the Prophet Muhammad [the Prophet]. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Qur’an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for the purpose of advancing Islam and repelling evil from Muslims”[1].
The world is divided into two spheres, Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. The latter, the Land of Warfare, is a country belonging to infidels which has not been subdued by Islam. The Dar al-Harb becomes the Dar-al Islam, the Land of Islam, upon the promulgation of the edicts of Islam. Thus the totalitarian nature of Islam is nowhere more apparent than in the concept of Jihad, the Holy War, whose ultimate aim is to conquer the entire world and submit it to the one true faith, to the law of Allah. To Islam alone has been granted the truth: there is no possibility of salvation outside it. Muslims must fight and kill in the name of Allah."
We read (IX. 5-6):“Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them”;
IV.76: “Those who believe fight in the cause of God”;
VIII.39-42: “Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God’s.”
Those who die fighting for the only true religion, Islam, will be amply rewarded in the life to come:
IV.74: “Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God’s path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward.”
What should we make with these further unfortunate verses from the Qur’an:
*Torment to Non-believers->IV.56
*Only Islam Acceptable-> III.85
* No friends from outsiders->III.118
*No friends with Jews, christians->V. 51
* No friends with non believers->IV.144, III.28
* No friends with parents/siblings if not believers->IX.23
* Fight non-believers->IX.123 * Kill non-believers->IV.89
The West needs to understand them in order to be able to deal with them and avoid past mistakes. We are confronted with Islamic terrorists and must take seriously the Islamic component.
When I see thousands of muslims out in the streets, protesting terrorists, like they protested the U.S. war with Iraq, THEN, and only then, will I believe it is a religion of peace.
Regards
I think we are all singing off the same sheet of music here . .
I'd love to hear some refutation from someone, anyone with a shred of credibility. Find the fault in my lying eyes. I don't want to believe it . . .
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