Posted on 06/01/2004 1:13:25 PM PDT by GeraldP
Hey, Captain Klutz:
In between praying to the God of Just Us, you might wish to note that the (less than sign) p (greater than sign) character is your friend.
I can see old BJ's trying his troll bait, the pathetic little man.
But he sure likes ice cream.
Please don't feed the trolls.
I enjoy talking with you, although we have different perspectives, but you've got to put some paragraphs and spaces in your posts! My old eyes just can't get through all that.
Well, your name-sake's "Kosovo Solution" was in many respects simply an updated version of Cubrilovic's plans.
OK Seselj, how about some truth in advertising--are you an SRS member? And why did you pick the name of an extremist nationalist war criminal for your FReep name? If that is your name or a family name, I apologize; but based on your positions on the issues & that name, I sometimes wonder if I'm typing to someone who's radius of travel is about a 6 x 6 space in Holland.
And why did you pick the name of an extremist nationalist war criminal for your FReep name?>>
You have to excuse him. His jack boots don't fit him very well and he's short tempered.
IN MY POST... (this one just bellow)
Captain Albala
You seem to be very well versed in Serbian legend-history. As all good legend it is based on some historical fact, only it is blown so out of proportion and riddled with so many omissions and conjurations, as to lose it’s factual nature. Case in point your words “Albanians didn't fight Yugoslav partizans within Balli Combetare and SS "Skenderbey"?
Fact: Balli Kombetar was a reactionary force with dubious motivations and shady nature. Sometimes they fought the Germans, sometimes they fought the partisans, because they could not decide which was the greater threat, Nazis or Communism. When they fought the partisans, it was not the Yugoslav partisans, rather it was the Albanian partisans, who as you should know were allied with the Yugoslav partisans. In fact if there ever was any good thing to Communism in the Balkans, it was this sense of “brotherhood”, which existed between the Albanian and Yugoslav communists. Yugoslav communists even made the promise while the outcome of the war was yet uncertain that once the war was over, Kosova would either be returned to Albania, or allowed to decide through a vote
“Between the two World Wars the Yug. Communist Party denounced the ill-treatment of the Kosovars. In 1940, at the fifth Congress of the Party, held in Zagreb, it was resolved that Kosova be returned to Albania (P. Lendvai,Eagles in cobwebs: Nationalism and Communism in the Balkans (N.Y., Doubleday, 1969, p. 183). In 1943, a letter was sent by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia to the Central Committee of the Albanian Communist Party, saying that it was not opportune to discuss the Kosova question at that particular time, because of the German occupation, adding, however, that in the new state of Yugoslavia there would be no "place for the national oppression of the Albanian minorities," and that Kosova would not constitute a problem (see V. Dedijer, YugoslovenskoAlbanski odnosi 1939-1948 (Yugosl.-ALb. relations 1939-1948), Beograd, 1949, p. 134,”
As for the “Skenderbeg” division, this is one of the best fits for the definition of a legend that I have ever seen. Yes there was such a thing, but its numbers and support paled in comparison to the popular anti-axis resistance in Albanian-inhabited territories. If a few Kosovar Albanians were misled to join the Germans, it was because then as now, many of them viewed the Serbs the same way many Serbs viewed them, as mortal enemies.
>>>ofcourse, switching sides is what albanians are best in
Once again for all your erudition, you appear to be incapable of critical thinking when it comes to Balkan history. Do you really believe the phrase above, do you really think the Albanians are the horned, tailed, no opposable thumb monsters they are often portrayed in Serb media as. Albanians have been pro-American throughout the past century, beginning with W. Wilson’s refusal to allow Serbia and Greece to split Albanian territory between them, thereby precluding the existence of an Albanian state. Yes Enver Hoxha declared the US an enemy of the “proletariat”, but even then the US was secretly admired by most Albanians.
As for me. I guarantee you that you know nothing about me or my religion, or how my family kept the Orthodox faith even as everyone around them gave in to Ottoman persecution, or how my great grandfather saved hundreds of Albanian, Yugoslav, and Jewish lives feeding misinformation to the Gestapo, only to be executed by the communists for knowing too much about Enver Hoxha’s way of dealing with opposition. You really should think twice before ever placing a stereotype on a person or group.
>>> Well, US stated in 1998 that KLA was staging terrorist actions.
No it did not. The US never declared the KLA a terrorist group either officially or unofficially, and I dare you to find anything other than the declaration of a meager envoy, which says that.
>>> The most beautiful an noble thing is sense of struggle for justice. You took our land. We want it back. You have powerful protection. We'll wait.
You keep threatening war, for what? For justice? Please give me a break. When you say “You took our land. We want it back” I wish you could step back and see the folly of your position. You are threatening a people with war to insatiate you blind nationalism. I don’t care what you say, you will never hold the moral or spiritual high ground with that type of position. Moreover you are condemning our children to a lifetime of war with no higher purpose, no noble outcome, no end in sight, for you know and I know that it will not be over so easily. I told you before I am not here to get into a pi**ing contest, but I am tired of your constant threats and prejudiced snipes.
>>>"Chi non si vendica, non si santifica"
Santificarsi davanti a chi, Dio? Il mio Dio non vede nazionalita o lingua.
>>>You say you will fight for freedom of people. Why don't you fight form my freedom??!!! I can't speak my own language, I don't have a freedom of movement, I survived a grenade attack, I DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE!!!
Nennsy, I cannot and do not dismiss the plight of Serbs in Kosova at the moment. Neither do I want to be an appologist for those responsible. Let's face it, there was a war and there were terrible deeds committed, and the hate runs deep. I wish there were a way to change that quickly and easily, but there isn't.
And I am afraid that the solution that might be best from your perspective, is almost certainly the worst solution for the other 2 million people in Kosova. So there is no choice but to look to the long term, and in the long term I am of the conviction that Kosovar independence is best for Albanians and Serbs in Kosova, and for the whole of the Balkans.
>>>we will not give up on Kosovo.
You seem to be of the same opinion expressed by other Serb posters here, that a military solution is desirable. I am sorry, but to me that is pure nationalistic folly.
What Islamic site did you dig this trash article out of? I don't think anyone is forgetting that so many of those mass graves turned out to be full of Serbs not Muslims.
Al Queda was the lead aggressor in that confict. We entered that war on the wrong side to appease Germany and France and there is no hiding it.
>>>I don't think anyone is forgetting that so many of those mass graves turned out to be full of Serbs not Muslims.
If you do not know enough about a certain subject, please just say nothing.
>>>Al Queda was the lead aggressor in that confict.
Al Qaeda has no business in Kosova or Albania, and believe me I think I would know. Once again, if you have nothing informative to say, please say nothing.
tell us, how would you know? you tipped your cover in revealing you have intimate contacts with sources. Your "pacifist" nature here is phoney baloney.
>>>you tipped your cover in revealing you have intimate contacts with sources.
Pssst... Don't tell anybody, but I am Albanian (gasp!), and happen to know what's going in Albania. Point A.
>>>Your "pacifist" nature here is phoney baloney.
This is point B. Now, I'll admit at being pretty good with geometry, but for the life of me I cannot see the straight line or any type of curve that leads from Point A to Point B. Please feel free to enlighten me.
I posed as an Albanian-ally speaking the language to you, in broken-Albanian and you bit. You are phoney-baloney pacifist and are an anti-Serbophobia creten. Your route of problem solving is via force of arms, not dialogue.
>>due to you being an "Albanian", i.e a wannabe-Serb, does not automatically make you an expert, as many Albs and Serbs are very clueless to the world.
No it does not make you an expert automatically, but all you have to do is know a few people (journalists, police chiefs, Internal Security etc.) to be assured that there is no Al Qaeda in Albania or Kosova.
>>>I posed as an Albanian-ally speaking the language to you, in broken-Albanian and you bit. You are phoney-baloney pacifist and are an anti-Serbophobia creten. Your route of problem solving is via force of arms, not dialogue.
First of all try to maintain some resemblance of respect when you speak with someone whom you know nothing about. And when you were posing as Azra I said to you "there is no such thing as Greater Albania, we only have the here and now to worry about".
I know Police and reporters as well, does not make them unbiased. I rely on my own information that I gather on my own.
You should know better then to entrust even your own people in giving pure unbiased information. I know how to tear apart information in print and decode that crap, and then reformulate it to fit your own story.
Now you automatically bill Vojvoda as a war criminal without a trial? another expose, slip of the tongue like your pal, gerardA-mr Albania. Give you boys some time, and you make these mistakes. tsk tsk tsk!
For AlQaeda to get a foothold somewhere, they need a local base of support, This base does not exist in Albania and Kosova. The territory is instead hostile to them, pro-US and anti-fundamentalist.
The only way you'll find AlQaeda in Albania, is undercover. Several came to Albania in the 90s, but were arrested/expelled by joint Albanian/FBI action once the FBI found them out. Since then they have not tried again. Albanians are now naturally suspicious of MiddleEasterns, and ShISh keeps tabs on them constantly.
>>>I rely on my own information that I gather on my own.
Ok, let's see it then.
Al-KLAeda is still there, they are enmeshed into small cells within the region. No one talks about in the US or Euro media as that is a death knelt to anyone who does. Look who would fall from grace if that information was exposed? That fact is covert and will not ever be verified.
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