F/A-22 Ups and Downs; the Tacair Debate; [Brian's Military Ping List]

That's going to have to be some GOOD beer, dude.

41 posted on 05/31/2004 6:37:43 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)

To: freedumb2003

"It looks like a little red "x"? Man, we have to think about this."

You lost me.

42 posted on 05/31/2004 6:38:57 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")

I'll bring my wife...she's cute.

43 posted on 05/31/2004 6:38:58 PM PDT by Rokke

I'm very optimistic, too.

44 posted on 05/31/2004 6:39:11 PM PDT by risk

"Please tell me you are NOT suggesting an F-117 precision attack profile from 40K?"

Why, what's the problem?

45 posted on 05/31/2004 6:40:01 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")

Viper drivers always have cute wives. Kinda goes with the 'cute' airplane. ;-0

46 posted on 05/31/2004 6:40:16 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)

I swear by all that is Holy that I have refreshed this page like 10 times and all I saw was a little red x (broken img link).

When I checked back on your response, I saw the pic.

Hmmm.. double stealth technology (or they are trying to keep me from knowing the truth)..

47 posted on 05/31/2004 6:41:34 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (This is a tag: </> This is a Line ---------)

HA-Precision attack profiles are from within 12-25K. 40 is too high.

48 posted on 05/31/2004 6:41:50 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)

To: freedumb2003

Oh...hahaha...it happens. :o)

49 posted on 05/31/2004 6:42:35 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")

To: Charlotte Corday

With development cost amortized over so few planes, it doesn't seem cost-effective.

I'd like to see a whole bunch of SCAM-jet UAVs. I'd like the parameters to be "how good a unit can we get for unit cost $1M, min quantity 10,000?"

50 posted on 05/31/2004 6:43:04 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)

"If you were to take every capability of Rutan's bird, then hang a JDAM or two on it, do you know what you would have? Oh, wait, I forgot about targeting systems. Oh wait, I forgot about defensive systems. Oops, JSTARS, cant forget that. Uh oh, LANTIRN, gotta have it. Oh, wait.......Oops,.......Oh!....Um...."

You are taking me too literally. Rutan's bird is important to demonstrate a point, a concept, a change.

His SpaceShipOne does two things that the F-22 can't do: go sub-orbital and go Mach 6.

What is important is the concept. Since a *civilian* can go sub-orbital and Mach 6, one *must* conclude that future military fighters will likewise be able to at least match that level of technical competence...especially since Rutan did it for a mere $10 million.

Lets face it, that's mere pocket change. Professional militaries can throw a lot more money at the problem than that.

But Rutan is doing all of that this year. SpaceShipOne is already doing things that the F-22 can't.

So why spend Billions to lag behind the next (oops, current) leap in technology?

In current technology, our F-18 already wins. Our F-117 already wins. Our B-2 already wins. Nothing else can beat them. Having the F-22 or not having the F-22 changes nothing. We'd still simply have a fighter that beats all other current fighters. Well, we've already got that!

What we don't have is a fighter that can fly higher or faster than a civilian named Rutan.

Burt's laughing at you. He's flying over you. He's flying faster than you. Whoosh! He just flew right by you and outran even your fast ordnance. Ha Ha!

Why would you want to continue to spend Billions to be laughed at by civilians flying faster and higher than you?

And how long will it be before other militaries figure out that they can leapfrog a generation of technology by adapting Rutan's ideas into a low-cost fighter fleet?

51 posted on 05/31/2004 6:43:33 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)

To: SauronOfMordor

meant to say "SCRAM-jet"

52 posted on 05/31/2004 6:43:50 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)

"Kinda goes with the 'cute' airplane"

You bastard. That's below the belt.

53 posted on 05/31/2004 6:44:45 PM PDT by Rokke

"Please tell me you are NOT suggesting an F-117 precision attack profile from 40K? Please tell me."

You asked for GPS-guided JDAM. I gave you the F-117.

Are you saying that the F-117 can't launch a JDAM from above FL400?

54 posted on 05/31/2004 6:45:13 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)

"HA-Precision attack profiles are from within 12-25K. 40 is too high."

You're dating yourself again.

55 posted on 05/31/2004 6:45:16 PM PDT by Rokke

You're telling me that a JDAM cant hit it's target with a high PK from 40,000?

56 posted on 05/31/2004 6:46:11 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")

SpaceShipOne is already doing things that the F-22 can't.

Is this a statement you wish to be known for?

I think with that, I will take my leave.

57 posted on 05/31/2004 6:46:20 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)

I like the way you think. If Rhutan can build one for $10M, what do you think the per-unit cost would be for a production run of a thousand? $5M? $1M?

58 posted on 05/31/2004 6:46:55 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)

...INS... ...border[s]...

All part of a (currently ineffective) defense. Political correctness must die.

59 posted on 05/31/2004 6:49:31 PM PDT by risk

I'll ask you.

Can a GPS guided JDAM pickled from the appropriate AOA strike it's target from 40,000 feet and still have a high PK?

60 posted on 05/31/2004 6:50:44 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")

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