So, what is a 'neocon'?

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Saturday, May 29, 2004 | Bill Steigerwald

[familyop]

The funniest thing about it all is that "neo" means "new." "Paleo," in the sense that they use it, is supposed to mean "old." ...problem with that is that most Republicans in the 1800s and early 1900s wanted to keep their ancestors out of the US.

They voted for Reagan on the condition that he promote social anarchy--for example, his appointment of O'Connor to the Supreme Court and all kinds of big government spending for feminazis, homosexual activists and pub. ed. They're into goddess worship. They're calling old conservatives, new conservatives, and new conservatives, old. Heh, heh.

[Delphinium]

they are think Bush is not conservative enough.

I am one of those who wish he woud take a more conservative stand.

I actually really like Bush, and Ashcroft alot and will be working hard to see him reelected.

[Delphinium]

they're closet anti-Jewish writers who simply rant and rave against "Zionism," "dispensationalism" and the like. But they hate other Republicans and Protestants just as much

We have alot of blatant and closet anti-Semitic people here in Idaho. Mostly transplants from other states.

They are hard to deal with because I want them to vote for my candidates, but want to tell them to shut up.

[Delphinium]

The local anti semite at the neighborhood watering hole thinks neo-cons are nothing more than Jewish conservatives and everything they do is for the benefit of Israel. (This guy thinks that Jews control or want to control....everything)

Sounds very familiar, and very stupid.

[upchuck]

Wish I had the knowledge and wherewith all to trace "neocon" all the way back to the first mention. And then ask the responsible person what it means.

[familyop]

ROFL! ...good one!

They've sure been dishin' it out. I've seen way too many wordy, sneaky insults on their part against others over the past couple of years. Let's see if they can take it and want some Republican unity to further conservatism.

Criticisms about immigration are okay. Bashing Americans of Mexican ancestry and bashing black Republican voters is not good at all. Bashing other religions, calling all of the rest of us "neo-cons" and chickening out of our President's wise foreign policy moves is not cool.

Let's have a truce and gather all of the fellow voters who are potentially willing, to re-elect our Republican President. I'm willing if they are. This means getting rid of a few vanities.

[familyop]

"...closet anti-Semitic people here in Idaho. Mostly transplants from other states."

I see it coming from writers who are, for the most part, in the east and on the west coast. Hopefully, they'll give it up and really join us.

[Willie Green]

There is nothing "conservative" about Buchanan.

As a true, life-long conservative and Buchananite, I've noticed that the most malicious slurs hurled in my direction usually come from liberal, Palestinian sympathizers who misrepresent themselves as neocons with the intent of aggravating hostilities on divisive issues. Since you're obviously so eager to play that roll, I'll assume that that's your actual hidden agenda for the time being.

[BunnySlippers]

I, too, wish he was more conservative. But I hope he wins. :)

[Preech1]

"I read the article pretty fast, but can't figure out the Anti-Semitic part?" That's because they're closet anti-Jewish writers who simply rant and rave against "Zionism," "dispensationalism" and the like. But they hate other Republicans and Protestants just as much. The word has now become very popular with left leaning Europeans of the same black heart. It's no surprise, with Old Europe rising and all. I've personally seen People Magazine on some of their coffee tables, BTW.

That explains alot...on a separate thread regarding the topic of disensationalism, I stated that I was not dispensational, and people accused me of harboring the same sentiments you mention above, especially anti-semitism. I am far from being a "Neo-Con" (I took the test...) and the God I worship lived on earth as a Jewish man...nuff said.

[familyop]

"As a true, life-long conservative and Buchananite, I've noticed that the most malicious slurs hurled in my direction usually come from liberal, Palestinian sympathizers who misrepresent themselves as neocons..."

Willie, Pat's anti-Jew stuff is already all over rense.com, Serb Defense League, David Irving's sites, Stormfront and other neo-Nazi sites.

Here's one of many columns that expose Buchanan's direction with his stuff.

Pat Buchanan, His Fans, and Anti-Semitism
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=223

And didn't Pat make some comment about the Bush Administration being somehow controlled by "Zionists" awhile back?

[plain talk]

I find these labels counterproductive. They just divide the conservative party and pit one group against another. As a Goldwater "paleoconservative" (I suppose) I suggest we welcome former liberals into the Republican Party. We should welcome them into the tent along with anyone else who chooses to do so in order to unite and defeat Kerry, Daschle and the liberals.

[Esther Ruth]

"I stated that I was not dispensational, and people accused me of harboring the same sentiments you mention above, especially anti-semitism."

Dispensational Theology's support for Israel is I think pretty unconditional and a must and also a command and an absolute, according to their literal interpretation of scripture.

The other theological beliefs believe the Church has replaced Israel - and they MAY support Israel to one extent or another and they do it for various reasons, and those reasons seem conditional or motivated for different reasons instead of divine reasons, and these reasons seem temporal or based in earthly reasoning instead, therefore they can be unreliable support or no support at all.

It all does come down to whether one supports Israel or not, to what extent, and on what grounds and basis.

[familyop]

"That explains alot...on a separate thread regarding the topic of disensationalism, I stated that I was not dispensational, and people accused me of harboring the same sentiments you mention above..."

Well, then, those who accused you are just as ignorant as those who claim to speak for a whole religion, I would guess. From what you say, I doubt that the following speaks for you.

"The Capitol Hill is an Israeli occupied territory" (Patrick Buchanan, St. Louis Dispatch, October 20, 1990.

"Here was a cabal of intellectuals telling the Commander-in-Chief, nine days after an attack on America, that if he did not follow their war plans, he would be charged with surrendering to terror . . . What these neoconservatives seek is to conscript American blood to make the world safe for Israel. They want the peace of the sword imposed on Islam and American soldiers to die if necessary to impose it" ("Whose War?", by Patrick Buchanan, The American Conservative, March 24, 2003.

...or this,

http://www.al-bushra.org

or any of the other scores neo-NAZI groups that spout the same rhetoric.

...joke-tossing aside, I'm deeply sorry that loud voices in the Church claim to speak for all, including he who kissed the Koran in public. People should continue to keep their faith regardless of who tries to speak for all.

But I do oppose the identity movement that is trying to divide us. The members of that movement are far more vain and downright mean than you appear to be.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Please tell me how a vote that's not for Bush is automatically a vote for Kerry, since I'm voting for neither of the two socialists.

[Petronski]

Frylock rulez.

[Ichneumon]

I find these labels counterproductive. They just divide the conservative party and pit one group against another.

In my experience, that's *all* they're used for. After seeing the term "neocon" used 105 different ways by 100 different posters/writers, I have concluded that the working definition is:

Neocon: (noun) Label applied at random any time anyone wants to insult any subgroup of conservatives. Often used as a variant of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

[Ichneumon]

Please tell me how a vote that's not for Bush is automatically a vote for Kerry, since I'm voting for neither of the two socialists.

Good point -- by symmetry, by the same "logic" that says (concerning not voting at all) that not voting for Bush is automatically a vote for Kerry, then so must not voting for Kerry be a vote for Bush. So apparently you're voting for Bush after all by not voting, they should be happy. ;-)

[Publius6961]

Neocons: another name invented by the liberals to call those who oppose them, and they are habitually missing any substantive ideas and need to resort to namecalling.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Q: Is this a neoconservative war in Iraq?

Rich Lowry: No.

Paul Weyrich: I don't think that you could make that case.

Paul Gigot: No.