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Leatherman based in the USA, but not made in the USA
kgw.com ^ | 05/28/2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/28/2004 1:33:11 PM PDT by Willie Green

The Portland-based Leatherman Tool Group Inc. was ordered to pay consumers more than $13 million after a California judge decided the company's multiuse tools had too many foreign components to be considered made in the United States.

State Superior Court Judge Victoria Chaney ruled that the company violated California law by placing a "Made in USA" label on almost two dozen products that were largely made outside of the country.

She said the label would likely "deceive members of the public into a false belief that the tools are wholly American made."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: falseadvertising; globalism; thebusheconomy
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To: snopercod
Hey Snopercod...long time, no talk!

"...Just don't try to carry one with you on an airline, train, or Greyhound bus..."

You forgot to mention movie theaters, tourist attractions, shopping malls, taxi cabs, museums, and amusement parks. Can't have simple tools where "terrorist action" could suddenly take place. So, just hand 'em over, Mr. & Mrs. America. It is For The Children TM don't you know.

[/sarcasm] ~ Blue Jays ~

41 posted on 05/28/2004 3:10:12 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Well at least the candies like Zeros and Goo Goos are made in America.

The last America LifeSaver's candy factory recently left the country.

Sugar tarrifs and subsidies, doncha know.

42 posted on 05/28/2004 3:12:20 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: yarddog
Forgot to mention that the most usable one of all is probably the vise-grip-Schrade combo. It only has 5 or 6 blades but a vise grip is probably the most used tool I have and when you add the blades screwdrivers etc, it really is handy.

The downside is it is longer than others.

43 posted on 05/28/2004 3:13:41 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: CyberCowboy777; TXBSAFH; j_tull
Had one, I prefer the Gerber since you can easily open it with one hand.

I guess when I get an new multi tool I will look at a buck or a gerber.

But my Gerber is a better tool.

I love my Gerber, and thought so too, until a couple of weeks ago. I was on my riding mower, and a low limb on a small pine I was mowing under whacked me on the head. To prevent future occurrences, I bent the (>1/2" dia.) green limb (to put it under strain and make it cut easier) and cut it with the serrated blade on my Gerber tool.

Imagine my shock when there was a "Ping!" and my "Legendary Gerber Blade" was suddenly in three pieces!

Needless to say, the piece I recovered is in an envelope -- on its way to Gerber -- along with a letter expressing my disappointment...

Other than that, my Gerber has been a great tool that has saved the day many times -- such as when, 'way back in the woods, my Bush Hog tried to eat a stump and broke a shear bolt...

BTW & FWIW, the 1/8" of remaining blade stump still opens boxes just fine. Wonder if it would get past security...?

44 posted on 05/28/2004 4:02:20 PM PDT by TXnMA (Now back home in God's country...)
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To: Monterrosa-24

My company heat treats all of the components except files, right here in Portland. All of the tools are assembled right here in Portland. We also do Gerber, Kershaw and Benchmade.


45 posted on 05/28/2004 4:12:47 PM PDT by onehipdad (Make no mistake, we are now engaged in World War III....)
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To: Blue Jays; lewislynn
Don't get me started...

Hey, I wonder if California is going to sue Chevrolet for misrepresenting where their vehicles are made.

Me, I buy Toyota cars because they are made in Tennessee, and Michelin tires because they are made in South Carolina.

46 posted on 05/28/2004 4:16:54 PM PDT by snopercod (Freedom can be preserved only if it is treated as a supreme principle which must not be sacrificed)
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To: snopercod
Me, I buy Toyota cars because they are made in Tennessee

Nothing on your Toyota came from Japan or elsewhere?...I don't think so.

Michelin tires because they are made in South Carolina....By a French company.

47 posted on 05/28/2004 9:55:04 PM PDT by lewislynn (Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
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To: snopercod

BTW, why did you ping me on this?..I don't have any control over lawsuits.


48 posted on 05/28/2004 10:00:33 PM PDT by lewislynn (Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
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To: CWOJackson

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tabasco+made+grown&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=BvCDy1.4Ip%40acsu.buffalo.edu&rnum=1


49 posted on 05/28/2004 10:05:45 PM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: CWOJackson

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:0X856kBquwQJ:itotd.com/index.alt%3FArticleID%3D184+tabasco+made+grown&hl=en


The McIlhenny Company likes to maintain the illusion that its sauce is made entirely on Avery Island—and it was, until the 1970s. But nowadays, 98% of the peppers used for Tabasco sauce are actually grown in Honduras, Venezuela, Mexico and Columbia, though the seeds for these plants all come from peppers grown on Avery Island. The reason, of course, is cheaper labor—there is no automated way to pick the peppers, because they do not all ripen at the same time. The peppers are made into mash (using Avery Island salt, the company claims) the day they’re picked; the aging and the rest of the production process takes place on Avery Island.


50 posted on 05/28/2004 10:07:26 PM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: wingnutx; j_tull
"I bought a Leatherman WAVE..."

Me too, with the adapter kit. It's never let me down. I almost got the Swiss Tool instead. It was a close contest.

J_tull, I have no problem opening the Wave blade with one hand. Just takes a little practice and dexterity.

51 posted on 05/28/2004 10:08:15 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Monterrosa-24

Try SOG tools. I was able to purchase a new EOD powerlock for my son - the steel was so hard on the handles, engraving was almost impossble.
AT the time, production was all going into military contracts - I got lucky with the supplier.

Son said he really likes the cap crimper, makes a good crimp every time...he did promise some 'neat' photos when he gets back from Baghdad.


52 posted on 05/28/2004 10:22:08 PM PDT by ASOC (Amercia, Land of the Free - BECAUSE of the Brave)
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To: dennisw

Thanks for the info. I still love Tobasco.


53 posted on 05/28/2004 10:28:36 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: TXBSAFH

Buck or Gerber are both fine choices I own both ... Prefer the Buck.


54 posted on 05/28/2004 10:39:52 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: CWOJackson
Thanks for the info. I still love Tobasco.

Me too. Far better than any other common hot sauce. Maybe some of the boutique hot sauces are better.

This common Vietnamese hot sauce (can find in Oriental stores) is my favorite along with Tabasco. Tabasco is great on eggs sunny side up!

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:08CRMT1BQUEJ:www.huyfong.com/no_frames/sriracha.htm+Sriracha&hl=en

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:dGxDGyhXikYJ:www.fiery-foods.com/dave/mark_amsterdam.html+vietnamese+rooster+hot+sauce&hl=en

 

55 posted on 05/29/2004 4:36:42 AM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: CWOJackson
I've read at least 5 articles on how Tabasco is made over in Avery Island Louisiana. I'm always fascinated.
56 posted on 05/29/2004 4:39:13 AM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: CWOJackson

"Even if the main ingredient is imported (assuming what you say is true), it is still "made" in America."

Apparently the judge in this decision doesn't agree. The judge ruled that because some components were imported the product is not "made in America".



Here's the key difference. Tabasco sauce is *entirely* made in America. Leathermen tool parts are manufactured overseas, and final assembly in in America.


57 posted on 05/29/2004 9:54:38 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

Let's hope it doesn't end up in court with the same judge...I don't think they would buy your argument.


58 posted on 05/29/2004 5:58:44 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: onehipdad; Willie Green

Lars Larson had the owner of Leatherman on his show to talk about this on Friday. Almost every part of most Leatherman tools are made in the USA except files and certain other parts in only certain models. (I believe he may have mentioned scissors) He said that its virtually impossible to find a US company that can produce quality files which is why they buy them from Switzerland. Even though his tools are 90-100% Made in USA he lost this case. His solution is to stamp "Assembled in USA from US and foreign components" which will allow him to use only 50% US parts. He said that this was a perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face since it will make people outsource more and not less.


59 posted on 05/29/2004 8:58:51 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Tailback

Even though his tools are 90-100% Made in USA he lost this case.



Sounds like a bad result based on what Leatherman claims of the facts.


60 posted on 05/30/2004 8:24:20 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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