Ok, I can admit that I had that flame coming, and I apologise.
Also, I didn't know WHO to direct my message to. All of a
sudden the thread had seemed to have spun off and was
filling up with what seemed to be a list of every variation
of middle east tribally named persons who had any
rap-sheet.
I couldn't see where it was going either, or how anyone was
using that stuff to try to show a CONNECTION between M.Moore
and Nick Berg's beheading, or M.Berg's motives, etc.
So maybe I'm on track now and I'll try to summarize.
The whole thing is apparently
based on the little we know about Nick's aunt,
his uncle-by-marriage, and that man's two brothers names.
Nicks email named the three brothers as:
1 Mudafer, (the uncle-by-marriage)
2 Moyser, and
3 Moffak Mustaffa Yasin
http://www.nickberg.org/Nick-Berg-Iraq.html
I would assume they all had the same mother and father since they weren't
called half-brothers, so I would expand those to:
1 Mudafer Mustaffa Yasin, (the uncle-by-marriage)
2 Moffak Mustaffa Yasin, and
3 Moyser Mustaffa Yasin
I would assume most people, when referring to 3 brothers in an email
would not refer on any one of them by just a LAST name, so I felt somewhat
confident that Mudafer, Moyser, and Moffak are all FIRST names.
The BBC reported brother number 3 as Mustafa al-Muzfar. The al-Muzfar
appears to be a regional/tribal name indicating the Muzfar tribe or
region within Mosul, where they grew up.
And as is often done, sometimes a person drops a family name like Yasin when
talking to the press, especially if Yasin were connected with Saddam
or Baathists.
So that means all 3 brothers could also be listed with the
4th (tribal name) al-Muzfar
1 Mudafer Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar, (the uncle-by-marriage)
2 Moffak Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar, and
3 Moyser Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar.
Now heres' where I got lost yesterday... One of you made the
assumption that when Nick said Mudafer (3 syllables), he was refering
to just the TRIBAL name of brother #1 (the uncle-by-marriage).
OK, maybe, but I hadn't considered that. Maybe you guys made that clear,
but I had been away too long from the thread and missed that finer point
during my catch-up skimming.
So now you were ALSO looking for tidbits of info on anyone with a
two or THREE syllable last name sounding like al-Muzfar OR al-Mudafer
(and thats how the MUZZAFAR listings of DOCTORS in the USA came to get listed).
When I saw mention of an "Iraqi who grew up in Basra", I ASSUMED no-way,
that can't be the family since I thought the al-Muzfar was a Mosul tribal
name. I guess I assumed that because Moffak and Moyser seemed 'homies' with
businesses in Mosul, and probably lived there their whole lives. Also assumed
that Mudafer grew up there too, but later moved to 'near Baghdad'.
But I could be wrong. There might be a town called Muzfar Iraq. If not
then Muzfar is probably a region or tribe within some larger city.
Maybe its Basra, maybe its Mosul, or who knows, maybe its Baghdad.
SO ANYWAY, I understand now, I think, why you guys/gals were coming up
with so many lists of odd muslim names. Have at it, and have fun. Let us know
once in a while WHY you think those are important please, and what
you theorize they may have to do with the subject of the thread, and we'll
all be hunky-dorey.
You're right. different people analyze info different ways. I just got lost
and my head was spinning from that last 20 or so posts.
Sorry you didn't like the goose. He was there just to accent my post.
FLE
By the way, why were names like ROBERT LEWIS SR PLATT
in your lists? and how he is connected to Nick? or Moore?
Hey... I've gotta get out of here (going out of town)... so this is going to be quick (I hope). Thanks for the apology... no problem (I just couldn't resist comin' back at ya, lol)
I think Nita and I might were communicating on some odd wavelenghth... but there are still so many pieces that appear to be connected but haven't been nailed down. I appreciate you continuing to explore and question... and sooner or later, together we'll find the links. All of this information helps.
Re: names... I have seen arabs use so many variations of tribal, fathers, etc. names that I'm not ruling anything out. (Nor am I ruling out that Nick's emails might have been less than 100% descriptive or accurate as they were provided to the media by family and close friends). As you posted re: Yassin/Yasin, since these names are not derived from latin, or with a common alphabet, they take on unlimited derivations. When I kept saying the word mudafer and muzfer... they started sounding more and more the same (as does muzaffer). Muzaffer is a very OLD tribal name... I don't think it is from podunk within Mosul, but I don't know yet. So... I was exploring. When I came across a Muzaffer that was an extreme leftist activist (Chandra Muzaffer) in Malaysia, it got my attention due to Nicks travels... as well as the fact that he wrote articles about Nick. Then, when I came across Mahmoud (sp) Muzaffer and his Moscow Milosevic Saddam connections, it also got my attention, given Aziz ties to the Russian mob (see below). Nothing was tied out, mind you, they were just worth keeping an eye out for.
Next subject... Aziz, Platt, et. al. Nick was definitely connected to Aziz. He entered into a partnership with the man in Iraq. Follow the links I posted yesterday to 5 key research items/articles if you haven't read them already. (less than 100 posts back). Aziz lived in Philadelphia. I suspect that Nick or his family may very well have been familiar with Aziz in Philadelphia... way before he went to Iraq. Given that Aziz-Nick have been tied out (in Iraq at least), Aziz's associates become of interest. Those lists I posted, along with their inmate records, are all associates of Russian individuals who allegedly are associated with the Russian mob running a very substantial cocaine ring in the Tri-State area (I don't want to get sued here.... notice all those "alleged's"?). LOL Tri-state = PA, NY, NJ. (btw... brother David Berg is in NJ... still haven't had a chance to track him down).
Aziz, through his American Iraqi Council, is also associated with Ahmed Maki Kuba/Kubba... who I believe is related to Sam Kubba and Laith Kubba... who are close relations and business affiliates with Ahmed Chalabi (see current news). I'm deep into these relationships, but, alas, it will have to wait until Sunday, LOL.
So.... what does all this have to do with Michael Moore? Well... I would surmise (I hate to surmise.. I like to PROVE, lol) that Nick may have been a tool for some of the same people who use Michael Moore. But the only way to get there is to work through it piece by piece. We could spin many theories, but that is still all they would be. In looking at all of these various relationships, I'm hoping to find links between the Russian mafia (with business interests in Iraq), the leftists trying to do a power play for how Iraq ultimately is governed, Prometheus Radio as another tool of those using the Moore's/Bergs of the world, etc.
I hope that helps. Carry on the good work! :-)